Breeding opinion - Page 6

hexe

@Hexe. I'm sure we've all done things whether with dogs or without dogs that we are not necessarily proud of! I have a whole list of things that I've done in the past that were not all the best decisions and I'm certain I'm not the only one on that list! I'm also sure that there are breeds other than GSD's in shelters also! I get what you are trying to say so if that's the case no one should breed anymore dogs until all dogs in shelters have been placed in a home and then breed out of necessity.

Sorry boy's but i have too ask who is "Garner's Ch Jeep"?  Never knew of Tom owning a dog named Jeep. I know of James Garrett's CH Jeep. Later know's as Crenshaw's Jeep.

Dude, just because you are bound and determined to breed your dogs does not mean I have to condone it.

I think you're going to be just another for-the-money breeder who thinks that because there are some titled, well-known dogs in the third generation of your dogs' pedigrees, it makes them breed-worthy. The truth is you don't know the first thing about what constitutes an ethical, knowledgeable breeder of any kind of dog, pit bull or otherwise.  No, I don't believe that there should be no one breeding GSDs until all of the ones in the shelters have been rehomed successfully, but I DO believe that the only ones who SHOULD be breeding GSDs are those who don't dismiss third-party evaluation of their breeding stock's structure, temperament and working ability as being 'too time consuming' and 'not for them'.  People who breed their dogs with your mindset are producing pet-stock at best, because no one who is seriously seeking a quality pup for training in any capacity, or as potential breeding stock, is going to be knocking on your door when you have puppies for sale.  And when you fail to make a sufficient profit off your dogs, you'll probably pawn them off on someone else who will do the same thing you were doing, and the string will continue until one or both of the poor dogs end up in a shelter or breed rescue because they're too old for breeding, or have developed bad habits because they were nothing but reproductive machines to everyone whose hands they fell into.

Face it, brother--you are NOT going to get anyone to agree with you that breeding the two dogs you presently have is the thing to do, not under the current circumstances wherein neither of them have so much as an obedience title between them, nor do you have any idea of the soundness of their hips & elbows, and the same goes for everything behind both dogs until you get to the third generation.  Just because my great-grandparents accomplished something doesn't mean that I'm automatically their equal by virtue of genetics.

Suggestion:  train the two dogs you presently have, and learn everything you can about the breed while you're doing so.  Work with a SchH club, or a PSA club, or even an obedience-training club, and get some credentials on yourself  in the process, as well as on your dogs.  Once you've done that, you'll know why you're not getting a chorus of thumb's ups on your present plan, and you'll know what the bare minimum standards are for breeding stock.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I just wasted my breath there...at least my fingers are loosened up now.

Ram, I almost posted that but deleted it. Figured why bother....lol.

@Hexe! It is obvious that you don't know me you are making assumptions about me and my intentions with the dogs and you know what the say about people who ASS U ME! Trust me I get your concerns and your passions and if I was just in it to make a profit why even bother going through all this trouble to get advice from "the experts"? I could have just bred the dogs not even concern myself about their bloodline pedigree or nevertheless care what anybody thinks! If you would read my posts I've thanked everyone for their comments and insight but I guess it makes some people feel better and poke out their chest because they are coming down on the novices of the breed! As I said before I've bred for 21 yrs didn't make a profit then not looking to make one now! I go to work everyday so my job is the source of my income this is just an expensive hobby! There maybe some who's in it for the $ but sorry it's not me!




Oh I see we have some bulldog people on the forum! Just for the record I leaned toward the Rascal Jeep Red Boy Crosses! Awesome dogs! 

more often than not, when someone comes on this forum with their mind already made up, they are just looking for
someone to agree with them.  they are not willing to listen to what anyone else has to say.  we have heard your story
countless times and we already know how the story goes.  we've also heard the other side of the story coming from
unsuspecting buyers who are broken hearted because the dog is a p.o.s. with health & temperament issues.  we've
also heard all about the breeders who don't stand behind their sales or neglect to get the paperwork done.  the buyer
calls & emails and gets no response.......then they end up on this forum asking for advice.  if you will also notice
there is a newly added section here,  the rescue section. most of us who have bred dogs have also rescued a few---
dogs that we didn't breed, but that we feel sorry for.  its a never ending cycle.  please don't become a part of it.
pjp

@Ziegenfarm! I thought we were friends and now there you go assuming! It may not seem like it but I am really taking all this advice in! I have a friend who I used to deal with in the bulldog game! He now competes in schutzhund I talked with him this afternoon and we are getting together so that he can show me some stuff in training for schutzhund! He has a giant schnauzer named Quentin who is titled with a Sch 3 I believe so I am listening and trying to head in the right direction! Not sure of the kind of people that usually post but from the looks of it they must not be good people since there seems to be a lot of bashing! Lets be careful in our method of giving advice we don't deter some legitimate concerned people! Again thanks to all of you for your comments and insights didn't expect to cause such an uproar! Maybe in a few years I'll see some of you on the trial field! 

You asked for our opinions, we gave them to you. Now you don't like what you're hearing. Honestly people on this board are very blunt and to the point, and if you ask we will give our opinions. Again, you don't know what you really have without working them, and seeing what, if any titles they can obtain, to prove their worthiness for breeding. And health testing is of utmost importance, it they're not sound both physically and mentally, they don't need to be bred.  JMHO

@CMills! I totally agree! I am so glad I posted and really I appreciate all the information and opinions I would much rather start out right than to be in it some years and still haven't learned a thing!