IPO stick attack to disappear? - Page 9

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  A dog that can not handle a good stick hit is no protection dog, and if you do not want or need a protection dog maybe you do not need a stick hit. I would like to think that my dog would bite hard enough an attacker would not be able to hit the dog, but that is not likely. My dogs have a real job. There first job is to warn people to stay away for my trucks and my yard. There second job is to bite with full force until their handler comes to help, then stop when told.

   Now I would like to know what I need a social dog for. The answer is I do not.  I have training and I have control. I do not want you or anyone else petting my dogs. I have said this for years "if you want to pet a dog buy your own" BUT if you want or need a social dog have one.

  If you think your dog will protect you, test it, but if you want to know for sure you had best do more then you find on a trial field.

  Not everyone needs, wants or can handle a dog like this, but when the breed get watered down to a pet, there will be some of us that will have hard dogs to breed to.

 

In my humble opinion:

This whole thread comes down to 1 comment " But HE enjoyed "playing" the sport of sch" That says it all!. I,m sorry I still expect it to be a test ! I still train my dogs as if it were a test ! To each there own but when the final bell sounds don,t be shocked when we have nothing left but pets or at least some of us will. Yes lack of stick hits arent the final evil just another slide on the slippery slope to weaker dogs, more of the everyone wins mentality.

The training of a working dog and proper testing has nothing to do with Dick measuring but of the adherence to the idea that working dogs should stay working dogs with proper temperament and ability,agility and working structure.

How many pages now? the subject is the talk or plan to remove stick hits in IPO sport. If you participate in sport, talk to the leaders of the organizations to not allow this. Work your dog at a high level, the highest level your team is capable to achieve.. Support the police and military K9. Be a good ambassador in the community. If you do not like the IPO sport? Stay away from it, or work to change it. Do the other things to promote the GSD. My list is not complete, how about adding some constructive suggestions to bring out the best in our breed. I watched the utube link provided by BEBO on Narcissism. It was fascinating. Maybe   a little narcissism is in everyone who owns and exhibits a dog. It is a form of exhibition getting on line to tell everyone how it should be or how it should be done. True narcissits hate the work that needs to be done to bring the cause to reality. The link to the propaganda picture with the dog biting thru a threatening man should scare everyone from k9, to IPO to PSA to the home protector.

Bob, you used my words to form your last post...you obviously don't understand people who will do with a dog they happen to own, what that dog is capable of doing. I did not imply that my ideal is a dog which can only perform sch ROUTINE ( that's what it is, real life testing is not generally done with a routine) as PLAY.....That particular dog did see it as play for the most part (tracking was his forte). If you needIPO routine to test your dogs, it is there for you.
I suppose, acording to your practices, I should have had an unfamiliar helper (that was the only time he came off the sleeve, at the trial and the helper didn't show up until time to step on field for the trial) hammer the crap out of that dog and then when he came off the sleeve, take him to the "shelter". I happen to have room in my heart and home for a pup I raised which had a character weakness to live as happily as I could provide for him. See, Bob, my identity is not defined by how much of a pounding my dogs can take before the switch breaks, or how loud the helper can make the hits resonate across the field. My identity is in being able to train, to the degree that the animal in front of me can be trained, and not BREAK them. That is likely a foreign concept for someone like you, to train any animal I have without forcing my will on it to the point the animal (no matter the species) shuts down or becomes dysfunctional. That means working an animal to their capacity, and not force my will on them if they are incapable of doing my bidding.

Does the picture above suggest to anyone that intimating the harder the dog is hit the better you like it might not be the thing to say on an internet board that is accessible to the public at large?  Hit the dog like you were pounding a railroad spike? How do you think that comes acrossed to the average dog owner or activist?  

 I can surf the net for less than one hour and come up with a dozen of more similar photos and narratives that tug at the hearts of pet lovers and activists.  The ship has sailed and I agree 100% with whoever it was who said IPO, etc is on the cusp of becoming extinct or an underground sport. Blame those who just couldn't wait to show off their man stoppers to the world and brag about how they  fry them with e-collars, prongs filed to points, flanking, etc.. PETA gets their "proof" handed to them on a silver platter by the very people they are out to stop.

Blitzen, excellent post.

Bob, maybe you should get a sledge hammer for your helper to use, you know, just to be sure your dogs are really, really HARD. I mean, when's the last time a railroad spike was driven with a reed switch. As friend of mine from many years ago said, responding to a comment about his rather prominent butt, "you can't drive a stake with a tack hammer".
Bob, you need stronger ammo.

As I'm typing the Tampa Bay TV station is promoting an area photos with Santa for pets. The dogs and cats are dressed in hats and fancy collars sitting around being hugged and petted.  I haven't seen any GSD's yet. THIS is the vision most of the US has for every dog.