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by Blitzen on 15 June 2013 - 09:06
Well. Haz, please excuse me if I don't understand the GSD working dog world and make stupid statements about the accepted training methods generally used. When I see a dog wearing 2 e-collars used as advertising that sends the message to ME that the owner is bragging that his dog is so tough that he needs to use multiple devices to control him. It certainly can't be intended to boast about the trainer's skills, can it?
by zdog on 15 June 2013 - 10:06
It's in an ad, the breeder/owner isn't hard to find. Or people can sit and make assumptions all day long
by Blitzen on 15 June 2013 - 10:06
I just pm'd him.
by Hired Dog on 15 June 2013 - 11:06
Cars were meant to be driven and transport people, no where have I found that their use includes them being used as suicide/blow up tools. Guns are made to hunt and defend, etc, no where have I found anyone making them to be used during the commission of a crime, but, guess what?
Yes, the good old days, when we had other ways of training dogs...of course...Col Conrad Most advocated using a switch back then to beat the dog into a behavior when it did not comply. Before that, anything a dog was to be trained to do, had to be beaten into a dog because that is the only way it was done. 1940's and 50's...electric collars were created by using car batteries and parts...yep, the good old days when we train dogs without the SOPHISTICATED E collars available today.
I remember 25 years a go when the E collar was used as a punishment tool ONLY...because the dog was to be made submissive...
The people that come in and talk about all the negatives are clearly speaking from lack of experience and out of an emotional context only. "What if the collar slips lower, what if its too tight", what if the 100 little corrections you give the dog just further infuriate and build more drive to continue screwing up?
I am curious to how many of you in here have seen a Teletak E collar? How many have used one? I am sure there are many who would drop at the mere sight of one...
Someone else said we should breed dogs that dont require the use of these devices to be trained...breaking news ladies and gents...we have these dogs already, the pussified versions of yesterday's Dobermans and Rotties and GSD and on and on. In 20 more years, you will have to go to a museum to find a real working dog.
Again, if E collars are not for you, dont use them, but, dont tell those who use them what to do with their dogs and their training.
Yes, the good old days, when we had other ways of training dogs...of course...Col Conrad Most advocated using a switch back then to beat the dog into a behavior when it did not comply. Before that, anything a dog was to be trained to do, had to be beaten into a dog because that is the only way it was done. 1940's and 50's...electric collars were created by using car batteries and parts...yep, the good old days when we train dogs without the SOPHISTICATED E collars available today.
I remember 25 years a go when the E collar was used as a punishment tool ONLY...because the dog was to be made submissive...
The people that come in and talk about all the negatives are clearly speaking from lack of experience and out of an emotional context only. "What if the collar slips lower, what if its too tight", what if the 100 little corrections you give the dog just further infuriate and build more drive to continue screwing up?
I am curious to how many of you in here have seen a Teletak E collar? How many have used one? I am sure there are many who would drop at the mere sight of one...
Someone else said we should breed dogs that dont require the use of these devices to be trained...breaking news ladies and gents...we have these dogs already, the pussified versions of yesterday's Dobermans and Rotties and GSD and on and on. In 20 more years, you will have to go to a museum to find a real working dog.
Again, if E collars are not for you, dont use them, but, dont tell those who use them what to do with their dogs and their training.
by Blitzen on 15 June 2013 - 11:06
WOW, are you saying that ALL dogs that can be trained without the use of electronics are whimps or just some?
by rtdmmcintyre on 15 June 2013 - 11:06
If you think dobies are wimps then don't own one. If you like them then breed ones that have courage, and ability. Every breed changes and it has to do with selection not the tools used.
by Hired Dog on 15 June 2013 - 12:06
I am saying that as people have become softer, more PC, dogs were bred that way too. I did own a couple of outstanding Dobermans 25 plus years a go...now tell me, how hard would I need to look today to find the type that lived then?
Many breeds have suffered because of the pet mentality and the show ring, the once great dogs I mentioned earlier did too. This is not about breeds, its a bout E collars and their uses, lets focus.
Many breeds have suffered because of the pet mentality and the show ring, the once great dogs I mentioned earlier did too. This is not about breeds, its a bout E collars and their uses, lets focus.
by Eldee on 15 June 2013 - 12:06
I don't think anyone of us is criticizing anyone for using an e collar as an effective training tool. I think we all realize they may have their place. No problem. I think the conversation has turned into a discussion about using e collars on other body parts. I'm sorry, but when I saw the picture of the dog with the collar strapped around its groin area, I realized that this forum is probably not the place for me. I think I am a fairly normal person, normal life, normal job, normal values a run of the mill kind of gal. That picture really struck a chord with me, and anyone that believes this a good training method, strapping a dog into various strategically placed shock collars on different parts of the body, is so far beyond my comprehension, I have no words.
by zdog on 15 June 2013 - 14:06
why do people that have no understanding even have the urge tell people they have no words? If you understand dog training, then you understand why an ecollar can be an effective tool and why it can be replaced with a hundred other means, none really better or worse other than the person using it. is the "purely positive" trainer that grabs their dog by the scruff for not outing or forging when A helper is in front of them somehow better than a person that uses an ecollar? How about the positive trainer that uses a switch to tap the but of a dog to make it aware of its hindquarters and what they're doing, really any different than using something else to communicate that same feedback? That touch with a finger stick or whatever also causes "electricity to course thru the body" LOL It's how the body works :)
by Hundmutter on 15 June 2013 - 16:06
But I still await an answer to my question ...
BTW ) have been around dogs for over 40 yrs, I'm
nearly 60, and have read a great many training books
during that time. It is a distortion to say that ALL the
old training writers recommended beating of dogs.
Actually I believe I've read more that have leant the
opposite way.
BTW ) have been around dogs for over 40 yrs, I'm
nearly 60, and have read a great many training books
during that time. It is a distortion to say that ALL the
old training writers recommended beating of dogs.
Actually I believe I've read more that have leant the
opposite way.
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