Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 18

Mithuna…a good trainer can look at a dog at 6 months, see how it reacts to things, and make an extremely educated guess at how the dog will be at 12 months, 18 months, and 24 months. When you’ve done this long enough you realize dogs don’t change. A dog that’s a bit insecure at 6 months, or a dog that is reacting to things that it shouldn’t at a young age…will develop into the kind of dog that you now have. It’s no surprise to anyone that your dog is the way it is. Your trainer chooses to also connect those traits to the dog’s pedigree. That’s just an extra level of analysis that is completely unnecessary except to make YOU feel better that your dog is “like” a dog from 11 generations ago. BTW…I can tell you that your trainer has never seen Ex vom Reidstern work, and has just heard stories of what the dog was like. Stories which I would never put any weight on after seeing how people describe many of the “old time” dogs and then seeing video that doesn’t back up any of the claims that are made. The only other thing pedigree analysis is good for is to place the “blame” for a dog’s issues on someone else rather than the handler.

I find the focus on dogs 8-15 generations and the complete disregard for the fact that 2 dogs out of the 6 in the closest 2 generations are titled really comical. That’s more than likely the reason for your dog’s aggression issues and defensive nature than anything. As no one has ANY idea what 4 of the 6 dogs that are the closest in relation to your dog were like.

Mith... Search Sunsilver's posts. That is a one clue. I am not going to search for you. Check out her avatar. Or, call me a liar.

@GSD Admin. How is not being impressed by Hans' post an attack on him? Only, if you feel like explaining, that is...

Just a thought. Maybe Prager did what I did a long time ago. Searched Mithuna's posts, and came across a picture of his bitch which clearly stated her name, then did a pedigree search ☺ Simples .

Allan: "I recall a post from the owner where he was looking for a VET in the New York area because his VET refuses to see his dog because of the aggression. Now Vets are no trainers but they can see if someone has control on his dog." You have twisted what I posted. I did ask about vets in NYC area who are used to working dogs. The part about the vet refusing to see the dog is COMPLETELY FALSE , and then you make an inference on a false premise that the vet can see that the owner has no control on the dog. My dog has only had one vet since she came to NYC and thats where we take her. I have already mentioned that he vet uses ace promazine and a muzzle for her visits. Quote where I said the the vet refused to see the dog.

But you get to walk away as the good guy.

 

 

beetree, I'm much less trusting than most. I am even suspicious that Mithuna & Prager might have collaborated to bring this thread to this GRAND ORGASMIC CLIMAX as Mithuna might have wanted to put it.

But, why should I give a damn about how Mithuna (or Prager) is as a person!! I'm already seeing him to conclude that this is all about genetics, which certainly is not !!!

I'm more interested about the topic of this thread, and LEARN from the posts, as I'm sure some people will want to 5-10 years from now, and GSDFan was very helpful to give some precious tips, until she also decided/persuaded to jump on the bandwagon.

Brady so you are making the claim that Prager is dishonest just because he pointed out something that the " board experts " did not?

I do not know Prager as a person at all. That I have collaborated with him is just f#@&%ing hilarious. There are thousands of people who random things ( with their dogs )  in the lifetime of their dogs and the dogs remain completely kiss ass. But this dog has developed some aggression and the only causative explanation is the handler. Something is wrong with the logic.

There is an  adult SL gsd at our club and for more than 6 months no one has gotten this dog to be willing to bite.

Jeeso Mithuna. I never suggested any such thing. I was trying to point out that if anyone had been interested in the pedigree, it was easy to find.!!!!

Swarnendu boom :-) something smells alright

@BV why when you breed two GSDs you DONT get a Chihuahua? Since it is obvious that " German Shepherdness " is transmitted, show by a logical argument why genetic tendencies of titled dogs CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE be transmitted by its untitled progeny.

BTW there are even pitbulls in our club that the onwers  state that the come from byb ( no info on parents/ no akc ) and the dogs are doing bitework just as good as the other dogs there; how do you explain ( LOGICAL NOT AD HOMINEM  this ability, given that ZERO is known about these dogs'  genetic lineage.

Allan1955, we have cross-posted with many others, but I hope I don't have to explain about how much importance I give to a dog's ancestor 11 generations back?

I just wished that the thread doesn't go off-topic.

Mithuna, the possibility of your collaboration with Prager is, well, just a possibility, nothing more or less, especially seeing you jumping up & down with joy after reading Prager's post and already starting to recommend his business.

Now, should we come back to the topic?