EXTREME Aggression - Page 6

HAVE NO FEAR! * FUNK MAN IS HERE * !!!!!!!!!!! Lily, give it up. You are apparently a very uneducated person in the world of German Shepherds. If someone has to explain to you what "aggression" means in context of this post, there is no point to it. Your ignorance is bliss. Perhaps you should join the lunatics over at PETA and throw blood on some fur coats? Im assuming you have some fancy inbred showlines resembling that of the American bred GSD. Now go brush your dogs, spray some doggy perfume on them, tie ribbons in their hair and put a sweater on them. You are more suited to this... Lily liver. * EAT YOUR CELERY EVERYONE!!!!!

I just bought me a puppy that has Crok on the fourth Generation. I am looking forward to him. After reading all the post I am not wanting an "aggressive dog" but one that can handle "the fight" for ASR and SDA. I am glad to listen to everyones opinion and learned even more about the lines. For me personally I have seen first hand a home broken in to that owned a Rottweiler male. You know they petted the dog as they were taking the stuff and laughing. Another time there was a mastiff home that was robbed and they even took the dog! It is sad to see that many breed are becoming "pet friendly"

EkvonErhnhardt, toooo funny.

Indeed. Many times this 'perfect' pet temperament I have heard many people mention can in fact be found in a lot of dogs, particularly shelter animals. It is not what makes the German Shepherd unique. What makes the shepherd unique is that it should, ideally, be a dog you can count on.

Funkman, Thank You!!!! I am convinced that I was talking to a brick wall! I just don't have the balls to say it the way you did! Of course, I do consider myself a lady, even if I do keep my dog in the basement in a "bear" cage! Vickie

I have read many posts by powerhaus and I think she has much respect and passion for the gsd. I do not believe her to be someone who encourages outragious behavior from a dog. Thier are many people on this site who have the best intentions when it comes to the GSD. Anyone who is on here enough and who reads the posts on a regular basis knows what certain people are all about. I myself would prefer a dog who lets no strangers into my house when I am around or not around.

OHHHHH! Cassidy! I don't know who you are but you have given me the honor of receiving such a nice compliment! Just would like to say thanks! Vickie

Vickie, I totally agree with you. I know Russ and his dog also. I also know that Russ would NEVER line breed on anything remotely related to Crok. So,psaguy can just forget Bronko. I really like the dog and have ultimate respect for Russ and his training abilities. I also agree with Cledford, in that there are many top level working dogs that are very social until asked to work. I am positive that most of them would also actively have civil aggression if they were defending their home or their handler was being attacked. A dog that is smart enough to know the difference between a person who is not a threat and one that IS a threat, is ideal in my eyes. A GSD SHOULD be social, but yet aloof to strangers. From what I have seen in my dogs, event he most social ones... is that when I'm not there it is a totally different reaction than if I am there to direct the feel of the cercumstance. Only one of my dogs would freely go with a stranger, yet she takes her cues from the others when they are alerting to something amiss. All the rest would make a stranger lunch, if they tried to even come close when I'm not there. I feel that's how it should be. A GSD should never be a Golden or Lab. That being said, Don't you think that just jumping out there and asking to breed to a monster is dangerous? Don't you think that there could be MANY reasons as to why the dog is a monster? Some of that would not necessarily be transferable through breeding. Say in the instance of the dog being abused and therefore wanting to kill all humans. Don't you think that some monsters could be that way because they have bad nerves? Dogs seem to be more PRO active than RE active, if left to nature. That is to say that they want to chase, what they percieve as danger, away BEFORE it can get to them. Sure they will be re-actionary if the situation arrises. But, most dogs are taught as pups not to over react, by directing their attention elsewhere. So that the natural Pro-active instinct is supressed. So, couldn't a non-social, civil aggressive dog be acting on fears? In my mind a confident dog does not need to be pro-active. Just putting it out there for discussion. Debby

Further up in this read K-9 Hesler wrote "...I can help you!" Just like to remind Hesler about his new club policy, the one he introduced recently to prevent EXTREME Aggression of his club members. This policy does not seem to work?! There is this Bill (bill10979)posting again on the Hunting Forum under K-9 Police on 04 January 2007: "This is a REAL Police dog, almost getting his handler killed. The dog has sh*tty nerves/drive, takes 1 hit on the head & runs away. Cost $5-12k for a worthless dog. Most folks have no idea, even most Schutzhund folks, about this stuff, Ive learned enough over 10mo to know what real pressure is." What happened to the club policy?

djc, I also agree with Cledford. I like a dog that is more on the aloof side but will still be social when asked. Yes, I also agree that "jumping out there and breeding a monster" is dangerous! The dog that is described here by the original poster seems like a nice balanced dog and that is not what the owner wants! I like Crock bloodlines and they are usually pretty social and once mature and trained properly have all the agression(for protection) that they need. I would like to say that they are ballanced but I think that they actually teeter on the defense/civil side. This original poster maybe a member of a Schutzhund club that only wants to deal with sport dogs. As a result they have not done much defence or civil agitation with this dog. Like I said before this just needs to be brought out in the dog! A good helper can do that with a few private lessons. Crock brings really good balance in his grand-children, I think that some of his direct sons and daughters are a little extreme but I know from talking to Russ that even Bronko does not pass on as much agression as Russ would like to see. I still think the original poster needs to do more homework about Crock's lines. Vickie