Hip dysplasia - Page 4

So we heard about SV and OFA what about penn hip?  you say that OFA is a all breed and SV is just German Shepherd but there are errors depending on who is reading them. Penn hips is used with measurements and the data is used against German Shepherds (no other breed) So would that be the better of the three?

Good question, I do not know much about Penn-Hip. When I was a tech we only had OFA and some vets back then were palpatating hips on young puppies and using fulcrums/wedges to xray. The results were inconclusive and seemed to be highly dependent on the skill of the vet doing the exams. A breeder I knew took it all very serously at first  and put down several 8 weeks old puppies when the vet told her they had very loose fitting hips and were certain to develope crippling HD by the time they reached 6, 7 months.  She kept the 2 pups that palpatated with the tightest hips and when they were xrayed both were moderately dysplastic which left her scratching her head wondering if she had those 2 pups PTS for nothing. I'm sure the technique has improved a lot since then. I do know some who use Penn-Hip, not sure of the results. The complaint I hear is the cost and that there are not enough certified by Penn-Hip to make it economically feasible to use them rather than or in addition to OFA.

There are thousands of them in all out pedigrees bred for years by the best ,,,,,,

V Mark vom Haus Beck             VPalme vom Wildsteigerland,      VEros vom Hambactal      V Xavier v Arminius

VAnja vom Reststrauch       V Half vom Buscecker Schloss.......

thats just a pennies worth that I could think of in a hurry....

Yes I would think so.....just a few more  are     SGAri vom Neffe Hal         VHera vom Seeblick      VMacho vom Kosakenwald

and very notable 3x WUSV Sieger G Orry von Haus Anterpa       V Dax von der Kesmarker Tranke

   VHarroausder Lechrhinstadt  

V Harro aus der Lechfhinstadt  produced V Fado v Karthado 1989 WUSV SEIGER.,  and in that same pedigree  Rick v Tiekerhook was fast normal

and V Zidane v Haus Sevens    is  Fast normal   and his stud behind him Magbert v Blitzen Stein  is Fast normal.... I see them in every pedigree I pull up   ,   

I guess its a breeders preference....hard not to have them , that I can find,,,,I like looking for pedigree searches.....it makes you aware of what is out there and I've come accross a lot of surprises I wsnt aware of.....

I noticed a     hip rating from Belgium or netherlands I think        B 1/2    and  A 1/2   I think it was in Zeppo or Zidane v Haus Sevens pedigree.third or  fourth generation

I think it would depend on your breeding goals, GoldenElk. If the first and only priority were to produce the best hips possible, then you probably would not want to use a fast normal. I'm assuming that a fast normal would be the approximate equivilent to an OFA borderline. The ideal plan would be to breed an excellent to an excellent both dog having strong family histories of excellent hips and of producing excellent hips. Most I know don't breed only for  hip conformation, so will use fast normals and NZ's if those dogs exhibit other outstanding characteristics. Generally speaking , the ideal situation would be to use the dogs with the best  hips whenever possible without sacrificing other important traits. and even then there are always mother nature's surprises to contend with. It's not easy to breed good working dogs with excellent hips that are outstanding in every way. It's a challenge for sure . 

Find me a few pedigrees  without a fast normal.....in them  Blitz ole girl   

Do you have Dons email ad      forward him the email about the Clinton doll and what it produced;; unless you deleted it....I forgot to call him and I havae to wait till at &t after hours free minutes...and he is probably in la la land.....

The dog in those x-rays is horribly rotated.  The obturators are not even close to equal in size (because of positioning)  the ischium is overlapping the femur on one side and not even close to the femur on the other.  The hips are held high on one side .  The shadows from the Spinous processes are all very rotated, etc.  So yeah, it's hard to draw any conclusions from this x-ray, at least I wouldn't make any good or bad, till I had a better one.