Michael Vick - Page 3

I think it will come down to a business decision on the part of the NFL.  If it puts more $$ in thier pockets for Vick to play then he will play.  If there are more $$ to be had by his being banned, then he will not play.

Dog Whisperer

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not.

Spook

You should have been a lawyer.  You love to argue.    Maybe you should learn a bit about how the game of football is played.  Anybody who knows anything, will tell you that everything starts with Solid Linemen.  Without an offensive line, a quarteback will not produce.  Without a solid D-line the opposing offense can have all the time in the world to throw and will have a holes all over the place for a running back to drive a truck through.  Where in the world did you get the idea that you could pick up any guy and throw him into the offensive line?  Seems funny that the second pick overall in this years draft was Joe Thomas, a tackle out of Wisconsin.  Somebody must have thought that lineman are important.  Cleveland took him first and QB Brady Quinn second. 

If quarteback is such a huge position and lineman are easy to come by, why is it that Atlanta didn't make a move when Vick got into trouble.  Atlanta knows that they can still win with a sub-par QB like Joey Harrington.  Besides, when has Atlanta ever been considered one of the elite teams in the NFL, let alone the NFC?  Chicago is a prime example.  They went to the Superbowl last year with a garbage QB.  They lost to a team that finally won with one of the best QBs in the game.  How many years did it take Indianapolis to realize that the line and all the other role players needed to be upgraded?  Look at the ravens and Tampa Bay the years they won the Super Bowl.  Those QBs are considered to be average and they still won.

Two years ago, Ray lewis, of the Ravens told his GM that they neeeded to get a lineman in the first round or he was going to start looking elsewhere.  Did he do this because he likes to stare at the back of 335lb men?  NO, he knows that he is ineffective if the other team can manhandle his team's D-Line.

If I can't teach some of these people a thing or two about football, maybe you can pick up something.

Poor Don, stretch the truth, convolute, deflect, whatever it takes to try to prove your point. The fact is the NFL is a business and as such the law of supply and demand plays a big part in it's decisions. A higher skilled player who is harder to replace will make more money. That monetary reimbursement is directly propotional to their skill level and importance to a team. That my friend is an undeniable fact. Michael Vick didn't get paid more because of the color of his skin or the number of siblings he had. He was paid a much higher rate because he is substantially more important to the game than most of the other players, especially the other two thugs you previously mentioned.

Joey Harrington mediocre; maybe, we'll see. After all you need to weigh his accomplishments against the teams he played for. Good try though.

Ray Lewis commands his GM to go get a lineman? Don, what are you smoking? It was obvious to the most casual observer what the Ravens needs were. Even you could have come up with that had you thought long enough.....well maybe not.

The Bears make it to the Super Bowl on the strength of their defence, but they couldn't put it away. Don, Occassionally a defensive oriented team makes it; so what. That doesn't prove your point, it's just another one of your deflections.

Don are you really DRFNO?

I hate to burst your bubble, but usually both teams in the Super Bowl have good defenses.  Not occasionally, almost always.

Who is stretching the truth?  I have given you nothing but proof and all you have given me is your opinion.  In my first post, I stated that the NFL is a business.  You don't have to explain that to me.  What does any of what you are saying have to do with what I have stated?  I made the statement that the NFL is at least headed into the right direction.  Right now, Vick has been suspended from football by the NFL.  We have yet to see what else will come of this circus.  Right now, it looks like Vick wants a plea bargain of less than a year behind bars.  What he gets from the NFL is yet to be seen.  I think you put too much value on Vick from the NFL's standpoint.  It is a business.  Do you think that they will gain by re-instating a player that may bring more bad than good publicity to the NFL?

Don, I showed where you stretched the truth. Where did I? As a matter of fact I supplied financial figures to substantiate my claims.

Yes, both teams NORMALLY have good defences to make it to the Super Bowl, but apparently you have never heard of the St Louis Rams.

"The Bears made it to the Super Bowl on the strength of their defence, but they couldn't put it away."  Defence was ALL the Bears had and it is very unusual for a team to go all the way on the strength of their defence alone.

Michael Vick will be sentenced to hard time, whether or not he actually spends time behind bars is another thing. It is just as feasible he will receive a suspended sentence.

As far as the progress of the NFL; we won't know until a player of Vicks caliber asks to be reinstated after some crap like this. Packman Jones and Tank Johnson are nobodies in the scheme of things; even the most casual NFL observer knows who you are talking about when you say Michael Vick.  My original contention, and I'll stand by it, is that the NFL will fold and let him back in. I will wager he has been told to plead guilty in order to avoid the gambling charges. Conviction of the gambling charges would be the death sentence for his career as far as the NFL or most any professional sport organization is concerned

I'd say they paid more to vick because they THOUGHT he'd be "substantially more important to the game than most of the other players".  I think the Vick experiment is dying (been dead for 2 years in my eyes) and they probably wish they would have kept Schuab.  Vick has never shown much of anything other than he is faster than most QB's and can run.  His game managment and passing have been very pedestrian.  A below average qb with a good line and good rb have won more games in the NFL than Vick ever will.  I don't think he'll be adding to his win total any time soon either. 

DB's (which Pac man Jones is) is highly skilled position.  Players of pro bowl caliber get paid very well.  He is still in his rookie contract, had he kept clean i'm sure he'd have been rewarded with some of the top dollar paid to other probowl DB's.  Tank Johnson is good DT, not elite.  Tommie Harris is a premium DT and makes as much a difference on the field as Vick if not more (when he wasn't injured).  Because the QB is historically a position that gets higher pay than the rest, doesn't in anyway mean that Jones or Johnson were practice squad players that became the token scapegoat for the NFL's new conduct policy. 

Ask Jeff Fischer how easy it will be to replace Jones' talent on the football field?  Tank will be replaced, and anything adequate will be OK for the bears as Harris is as good as they get playing next to his vacated spot, and they will already be better across the D-line than they were at the end of last year with Johnson.

MI GSD,
Good posts. Being a sports person all of my life I have to agree that their needs to be a major change in OUR view of what's "good" and what's not. Far to many youth are being destroyed by the attitudes that are being tought and the behaviors that are being allowed. How many kids are growing up in the inner cities to see sports as the only way to make it big? One out of how many actually make it big, 1 in 500k ? Yet soooo many are not held to a higher standard and allowed to screw around in school, grow up with a chip on their shoulder, hang out and do what they want cause they are " the man". Gods gift to sports and the world.
I agree that sports needs to tighten the reins on the pampered self centered athletes that are coming into sports, but it needs to start with the parents, the comunity, the schools, the sports programs for kids, and society in general that don't have a clue that there is even a problem.

Schools need to get back the authority to discipline and hold accountable those that want to do as they please. All the bleeding hearts need to take a look at what's happened to our youth since we took discipline out of school, hand cuffed teachers and put up with the thugs crap.
Parents need to pay restitution for what their kids do. Maybe then they will stop blaming everyone else for the kids problems and start being a parent that regains control of those in their house. Well, I said enough, I just get sick of the huge whole all the air heads have opened up in the name of love.By the way to those that have this mindset, Love does discipline, it does hold accountable, it does what ever is needed to help the one it loves.

hey why wouldn't the NFL let him back on gambling charges? most sports will let you gamble as long as you aren't gambling on the sport in which you play. look at michael jordan. gambled while he played golf, still allowed to play in the NBA because it had no impact on his games or his sport.

and i'm sorry i don't agree with not letting a guy back into the NFL after he's went to jail. the system is set up of laws and punishments for those laws. after the person has been convicted and sentenced and completes the sentence the his dept to society has been paid. so why should he not be allowed to continue in his chosen profession? that's like saying a guy who let's say drives a truck gets caught stealing. he has to do time, then after he's finished his sentence he shouldn't be allowed to go back to driving truck for a living.

you can't say it's not the same thing. 1) he has a chosen profession    2) he commits a crime   3) he does his time   4) he can't go back to the job he's done in the past.       the only difference is that one guy makes a lot more money than the other.

every one cries for equal justice when a star gets prfenential treatment, but when they get caught doing wrong everyone forgets the EQUALITY and want's them to pay more than the average person. why is that? jealousy maybe?  

Hers a link to an article about the NFL and gambling. According to the article the NFL takes the gambling issue more seriously than the dog fighting.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/nfl-gambling/

yeah i just read the article. notice how it states that any gambling that brings discredit to the NFL is not permitted. it doesn't say NO illegal gambling. so in other words they don't care if they do it just don't get caught and have the media get involved.