Helper Work - Page 2

you would be familiar with the lines 4pack, he has the same father as chris's b litter. if you talk to chris ask him about dar.

Aww Dar Yea I know of Dar. I'll take him when your done...lol

yea, i tried to tell my wife that also,, her response was "try and pick up his leash out of my dead hand, im pretty sure he would still protect me." she is right! john

Dar?? Dar who? :-)

Dar vom Schneiden Fels http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/472329.html

Dar sounds like good dog. I agree with realcold about out not being the problem on the sleeve. I was referring to stopping the bite/attack in case something does go wrong-like spitting out the sleeve and getting the handler. I am not sure if dogs like Dar are driven to bite or kill. I know many speak of dogs that would kill but in North America I think there may be 5 of these dogs that go to that level. I was looking for a female as such to get a pup from. I know realcold or another helper does helper work on her in Thunder Bay and I heard from a friend in Alberta that she would kill the helper if she had the chance. She also does not need someone to stare her down long or instigate her. How do you insure the helper safety as much as possible when working these dogs.

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I think the best way is to check all equipment-leather for cracks and collar clasps and field areas for conditions. Then I think they, handler and helper, need to know exactly what to do in case something happens. If not people get frozen in panic and serious damage can occur with a few seconds hesitation. This is a sport but you have to know how to handle strange situations. I think club members should also know what to do in case things get out of hand which I know with certain dogs things can escalate quick. So the helper and handler should discuss what to do and know how to react in emergency situations and anyone else around should be aware of what they will do and their role in case they are required. Honestly this can save someone's life or spare someone devastating injuries. I am sure we can all agree that when dogs like this get going they work at their peak so fast and hard that anything can happen. I would not rely on verbal commands alone to save you. Sean

You carry a big wooden stick as the helper as well as the above precautions. BC and Seanc you are getting your information at least 3rd hand. I know how much value I would put on that.

Thank you Sean. You make some excellent points. Realcold I know my info is 3rd or more hands down. I found some of the best honesty that way since I didn't have owners or club friends or those with other interests making claims about dogs that never prove true. I am sure you have been around and can relate to the exaggerations and hype from others. I know today there is so much emphasis on a solid bite and no chewing. In the war, my uncle mentioned they used to call their shepherds their "machine guns" If a shepherd got on someone he would not just take a bite and hold he would within seconds fill the guy with so many holes it was joked about how it looked like the guy was hit with a machine gun. They also had some real problems gettng the dog off the guy. I know that some dogs take things so real and a "Sunday Helper" without proper preparation can make a mistake or have a mistake happen that the memories will last a lifetime. Just my two cents worth.