Beschinigung Help - Page 2

The SV also has an online payment system that is secure. Hodie,I have to disagree with you on the Bescheinigung. Not every German knows what is required when a dog leaves the country. Every country has different requirements for registration. Not all dogs are sold to the US. Also a dog is sold with SV papers, not with a Bescheinigung, or an export pedigree. Since either of those documents are issued in the new owners name, they are the responsibility of that new owner. The seller can assist and get the process started, and many are happy to do so. The SV is always very helpful too and the process is very simple, just time consuming. There is no space in the eMail addy though.

I agree with you D.H., in 26 years I have never had a bescheinigung taken care of by the person selling the dog. I have always had to call and request it myself from the SV. Stephen

I'm lucky then. Two out of three the seller took care of us. I thought they were nice anyway and this just confirms it.

D.H. You can disagree all you like. I am speaking from my experience. I live in the US. In my many dealings with every German breeder I have always asked and received help in getting the Bescheinigung. Reputable breeders in Germany know what is required to transfer and sell a dog. And if they do not, they will find out or the buyer darn well better know. This is part of the problem in that some simply care only to sell the dog and get the money in their hands. So what if none of the paperwork, including registration of the litter has been taken care of. I do not do business that way, and I do not do business with people who do not have all their "ducks in a row" As well, knowledgeable buyer to be should know what the requirements are and, if necessary, ask for assistance. Yes, the SV is very helpful, but it is much better to get all this taken care of in advance, or at least arranged. I did not speak about any sales to any country other than to the US, but again, a knowledgeable and helpful breeder will do everything they can to help in this regard. Maybe you are different, but the people I deal with do just as I said.

I have imported my share of dogs from Germany and DH is right as usual. Not to say Hodie is wrong. You just have to know a Beschinigung is required and ask the person you are dealing with if thay are familiar with getting them from the SV. If they are not. You can educate them and ask they contact the SV on your behalf or have UScA help you with the transaction.

Dog1. How are you doing? I believe that when these kinds of issues are not discussed up front, they are a source of misunderstanding for buyers and, in the end, cause a lot of trouble. While technically speaking it might not be someones "job" to make sure all parts of a transaction are defined and taken care of in advance, to do so only makes sense. I know what is required, but I would not buy a dog from someone who was not willing to take care of this matter nor would I refer clients to someone who did not take care of that. I speak German, but many buyers do not. We see the results of misunderstandings between seller and buyer or seller/broker and buyer all the time on this site. USA was also helpful when Geli Clark was there. Whether they are able to assist as they did when she worked there, I do not know.

Hello Hodie, We're doing fine. Winter is finally here for a day. This makes the fourth cold day here. It looks like you and DH were essentially both correct. I recall some of my dealings as I traveled around Germany. I don't speak German and not all breeders I met understood the AKC requirements. I was able to get them top contact Sabine and ask her to help them get the Beschinigung for me but I had to ask, as they were not familiar with the process. This of course was after I bought a few without doing this up front and had to go through the trial and error method of getting a foreign dog registered with the AKC. You would think somewhere there would be a checklist of what paperwork was required from each country to AKC register a dog. I pulled my hair out for a month or so trying to figure out just what piece of paper the AKC needed.

Dog1. I make sure I know exactly what the requirements are for each country and those requirements are also usually online somewhere. Again, not to be a pain about it, it is my feeling that paperwork issues are one of the top reasons buyers get angry with sellers. Of course, there are plenty of other reasons too, but paperwork CAN be dealt with in a logical manner using a checklist. There are always going to be people who do not know requirements or how to do something. But it is my strong opinion that if I am involved, I will do all my due diligence ahead of time so that my transactions go smoothly. I owe that as well to any client whom I am assisting in importing a dog, and to any purchaser of any dog I might be selling. In any case, what matters here is that the original poster has gotten some assistance and hopefully the matter will go smoothly. As for your having a fourth cold day....we have had snow here on the ground since mid December and wind and artic temperatures all too often. This is the worst winter I can remember in all my years of living here. And I have to say, I do not like it much and cannot wait until Spring. Regards from the new North Pole!

Hodie, you make it sound like I leave people out there to fend for themselves. As I have already pointed out, the seller can get the process started on behalf of the owner, which we do. Having it done for someone and receiving help getting the Bescheinigung are also different things. Exactly my point before. Personally, I prefer to enable people. Putting them in touch with the right sources and talking them through the process if needed is far more effective IMO. Next time they know what they are doing and are not dependent on anyone else to do it for them any longer. Feeling dependent and the feeling of helplessness that goes along with feeling dependent is a common source of the frustration over the paperwork. It makes people loose patience, makes them upset and then you find them here. You would be surprised how many people I talk to who already have several imports and still don't know how to get the Bescheinigung. After they have done the process once they know it and are usually appreciative of that extra bit of knowledge. As long as the seller refers the buyer to the SV, they will be looked after and get everything they need. That is easy enough. Really not that complicated at all. Especially since the SV is always very helpful.