spay and neuter - Page 2

Co owning is a good idea, but i don't think limited registration is really any better that a spay/ neuter contract, if someone wants to breed and have papers they can just register w/ another kennl like cont. KC or AKA, what ever so called ligit. registery.

Their are to many worthless kennel club in the US.

Bun bun, these splinter registration organiziations in the US have done the dog world no favors. They are used by the Amish and many, many other millers to avoid keeping a paperwork trail on their litters and to stay out of  an AKC system that requires inspections via the local dog law enforcement agencies.

A female puppy can have a tubal ligation as young as 8 weeks of age, a male a vasectomy. Both are relaively simple procedures and leave the hormones that so many owners seem to think dogs need to be happy. I also own Alaskan Malamutes, a breed with a conditon known as chondrodysplasia, or dwarfism, a simple recessive mode of inheritance.  We have been test breeding to identify the normal carriers for well almost 40 years now and neutering all resulting puppies prior to placing them.  Most are spayed and/or neutered at 8 weeks. To the best of my knowledge, this early neutering has caused no longterm problems other than the males do not develop big heads and may grow taller and weedier than they would have if left intact. Older females can develop incontinence issues, but that can happen to bitches that are spayed as adults and can be controlled with medication. A small price to pay to keep an unwanted litter from hitting the ground. Some research seem to indicate the some dogs neutered early are prone to bone cancer, but I myself have not seen any real proof of that since the breed used in this research ar e those porne to this cancer anyway.Right now I  tend to believe what I have seen personally. Early neutering is not detrimental to the majority of dogs and tubal ligations and vasectomies can safely be done on 8 week old puppies. Most vets can do it and it should not be an expensive procedure, less than $100. The bitches will still come into season and the males will develop their male characteristics and the dogs can be spayed (or castrated ) at a later date.

Blitzen:  I am wondering about the risks of anesthesia on such young puppies?  The problem with altering puppies is you can't determine which dogs should be used in a breeding program until they are adults.  I guess if people are breeding "pet quality" dogs, I would hope they would alter them as pups, but those people shouldn't be breeding anyway.

Blitzen,

Is there a chance of the tubes "reconnecting"? Is that what you mean by spayed at a later date? I know there is a risk of that with humans. Is it more common in dogs?

The reason I ask is, my friend had a male that was castrated at a later age (3yrs) and he has, well, like a change purse that was supposed to go away but didn't. I would definately lean to the vasectomy if it is permanent.

Thanks,

Dawg

Sueincc, tubal ligations and vasectomies were used on the test bred puppies. Since most were sired by a dwarf, all were carriers and in order to get a clear rating from the parent club, all puppies needed to be neutered prior to being placed.  I've not heard of  puppies dying from the anesthesia, but I suspect there were some over the years. There is always that risk in young pups. Both procedures can be done at almost any age, but in the long run they don't offer the benefits of spaying and neutering. Bitches will still come into heat and could develop pyo and breast tumors. Males will still act like males.

Dawg, as always, it all depends on the skill of the vet doing the surgery. I've seen a few vasectomies done and the vets I worked for removed a large section of those tubes so I don't think they could re-attach themselves. I've heard of that happening with humans, but I'd think the odds of that  are about as high as winning the lottery LOL. If the goal is to have a dog that cannot reproduce, then a vasectomy might be all that is needed. It is one way for the breeder to guarantee that particular dog will not be able to reproduce when it is placed as a young puppy. If the goal is to have a male that doesn't hump the kids, etc, then the owner will probably want to have it castrated at some time in the future. As with humans, some males are worse than others when it comes to a testosterone overload

The reason I ask is, my friend had a male that was castrated at a later age (3yrs) and he has, well, like a change purse that was supposed to go away but didn't. I would definately lean to the vasectomy if it is permanent.

ROTFLMAO!!! OMG, somehow that just hit my funnybone! Should get that dawg some 'neuticles' to fill out the 'change purse'!!

My dog still has his scrotum, but it's small enough that you don't really notice it unless he rolls on his belly or lifts his leg. If the scrotum is really big, some vets will remove it as well. All depends on how they do the surgery. My vet made an incision at the join between scrotum and penis, then stitched it up inside so there were no stitches for the dog to tear at. I was quite impressed! Still the dog did suffer a lot more than a younger dog would have, and I'm sure the enlarged prostate added to his misery. (He was 5 when I had this done in February, and yes, I know I should have had it done sooner...had him a year and a half at that point.)

Well, that's what it looks like to me, anyway. :) My friend and I joke all the time about the things we could fill it with. You don't EVEN want to know!

It totally grosses out one of my sons. Whenever he starts teasing her she sends him a phone message with a picture of it.  I know this has happened when I hear the "AAAARRRGH" noise coming from his teenage hellhole of a room.

Bitzen, my husband humps my leg all the time. Any chance this would work for him???

"Bitzen, my husband humps my leg all the time. Any chance this would work for him???"

LOL

you're on a roll tonight Dawgs :p

~Cate

Dawg, even if your DH were castrated, odds are he would still try to hump you.  I'm pretty sure the only way to be sure that boys will not be boys is to do the deed before they reach puberty. After that, not much seems to change the mindset of the majority of  men. Most are  natural born humpers - it's in their gene pool.