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by ramgsd on 05 April 2008 - 01:04
By the way I wasn't drinking my bath water but I'd sure like a little of what you drink everynight. Particularly what it was when you trolled that one back up.
by Held on 07 April 2008 - 17:04
I agree with Harddawg.also no one ever says they are making money breeding german shepherds so i guess every one is breeding for the love of the breed and also to improve the breed ,that's lot of people loving german shepherds for free.
by Two Moons on 08 April 2008 - 01:04
LOL...at free
yuck yuck yuck.... I know very well folks , some folks are making money. some are making a lot !
I dont think you can compare puppy price to stud fee because of the bitch's worth. Is the bitch of the same calibre as the stud?
It is capitolism, how much are the pups worth if you really want them sold? A top breeder with a champion dog is gonna ask what the market will bare. They aren't the same amount .
If its about bitching people will bitch about anything.
Sorry Ram, I AM drinking my bath water...:)
by FonzieGSD on 04 August 2008 - 18:08
Chinese proverb,applies to this situation a lot as well: "Cheap things no good, good things no cheap". For a great, proven stud dog, with excellent genetics etc... 1000$ is fine. I amtalking about working line gsd, as the waters get much murkier in the prancing pony, go girl(shouting behind the fence to the AKC ring dog by the owner while the handler is trotting besides on a leash),show dog world...
If I had a great, excellent bloodlines females, I'd pay several times over that for a GREAT & PROVEN male stud fee. It all depends really what yours goals are out of breeding. One thing for sure is,you won't get rich, but can get some pocket money and a nice pup outof the litter in the deal.
by beepy on 04 August 2008 - 23:08
The stud dog owner isnt responsible for the puppies or their possible return. Therefore part of the money made by the bitch owner not only goes towards the upkeep of mum and puppies to the date that they go on to their new homes, their registration, chipping and any health costs. They also have to ensure that there is appropriate places should the need arise and whether their are any other implications along the way. The stud dog owner also doesnt have to make sure that they have made good decisions on who is going to be allowed one of the pups and deal with the potential owners and their visits to see their new pup.
In another breed recently I heard of a puppy that went to its new home and within 24hrs had died, it was unfortunately one of those freak acts of nature, but the insurance would not pay out and the breeder was required to refund the purchase price to the buyer. Therefore if that bitch had only 1 puppy the breeder would be severely out of pocket in this instance.
by srilankagsd on 05 August 2008 - 07:08
From the owner of the stud dog view:
1) Buying a titled dog - not cheap
2) Buying a good puppy and title him - not cheap. Consider feeding, training, show fees, travel, handler fees etc...
A top stud dog is a dog that is highly titled in confirmation and work. Its a big investment.
From the bitch owners view:
Most bitch owners do not consider the cost of getting and owning a titled stud dog when there are plenty of untitled good males around for cheap so they push prices low.
But if you see on the long run, a stud dog price can come down to a break even but because of demand and supply prices remain high.
Stud dog owners have less risk than owners of breeding females. They do not have to worry about litter size and other stuff. They can actually produce more puppies than a bitch can in a year. example is
1 stud = 1 pup x 52 matings = 52 pups
1 bitch x 2 litters x 12 pups = 24 pups
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