Defense - Page 11

I think one should get rid of all equipment and see if dog is focussed and willing to engage without screaming and yelling and whipping, some people where I test dogs from say im not fair because I test passive, but it is easy to pump a dog up and make it work, but then will it work when not motivated extremely

 

https://youtu.be/baTEm1I5xAM

 

sorry dont get the link working

^ see now that decoy is not carrying the dog through like the decoy in hans vid twitching like a wounded rabbit.

Duke you most definitely are the truth.

Just want to mention, the test I did with my own dog was for my information, not to promote to sell the dog. I know for a fact the dog will bite. I also know the dog can walk through the farm store and not be acting stupid. I also know he is quiet, and gives a stare with murder in his eyes when eye fkd by some jerks, not frothing at the mouth like a rabid ideot with zero self control....clear in the head is the term I would use for my dog.
I'm not producing videos to sell pp dogs...like most people who make vid of dogs they claim are 'civil' 'bite for real' personal protection' when in reality, the dogs are just prey monsters at most, no different than dogs playing the 'sport' game.

I have never seen LE training " just" in prey, not saying it's impossible but that it's so rare it can't be used as justification for anything. Almost every police training module is going to include bite work in building/box in which dog ultimately gets bites from stationary decoy. The bites usually escalates to fighting back from the decoy.....this is not " prey" work. It IS a component of bite work training for LE dogs.

Joan, the purpose of the video doesnot change the dogs behaviour in it, just saying if you want to test civil you dont do that by giving the dog prey bite, and reward by carrying the prey out


and like hans says, nothing wrong with prey and we all use it to work and train dogs, just as long as the dog isnot prey only, unfortunately that is what we see a lot in todays breeding

^ Hans is throwing out a straw man, hoping nobody would notice.

would love names of the police departments that only train in prey.

Furthermore, when dogs are trained to go into empty large buildings in the middle of the night, looking for an unknown assailant,( which kicks up defense instinct/and hopefully the fight ) , the dog is definitely not being trained in prey. These are the kind of scenarios where you see a lot of titled dogs wilt, and do not possess the intensity and confidence you see on sport field from same dog. And unfortunately, many many of these dogs turn out to be incapable of handling these scenarios even with repetitive training, although they were impressive on the sport field. Some do make the transition, but people who live in the sport field primarily would be surprised at how many cant make the transition adequately.

Couple of vids of a young future breeding bitch, starting out in muzzle work. (Bertha Of Darkvakia)

One has been posted recently, the other not - both show non dancing /  non screaming decoys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Iey2aiZ2Jw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbHbaQaBsHk

 

Regards

Gee

 

 

Gonna buy a muzzle and try that with my dog, I am not anticipating a problem.

Duke, do you actually believe that my dog would not have bitten the guy in the bed of the truck if he wasn't wearing a suit? And carrying the jacket is what the dog did on his own...I could not get in the bed of the truck with him to make him drop it wasn't important to me, my concern at that point was to get the dog with me so the dog could not reengage the man...safety, is big on my list when I have my dogs bite people. I already know the dog will bite. The test was would he still bite on unfamiliar surface and jump into a truck which he had never done before to engage the man. In order to focus on equipment, it would require a dog be familiar with equipment and have experience in training on equipment.
You're correct, the purpose of the vid does not change the dog, but it did  prove the dog is committed to biting without prior training or practice, even on a slippery bedliner.

As for prey bite, who cares, if the dog switched into prey or not, the guy had a bad bruise inside his thigh from the bite and I already know the dog is civil, that wasn't the purpose of this test. It was; will the dog be committed in an untrained, unpracticed situation. And he bit hard enough to hurt the guy through the suit, so who care if it was a 'prey bite'...