Old German herding type dogs - Page 2

Patrishap -- If nothing else - I get an "a" in creative writing, right? Yes, I figured that was another way of saying what you had in mind. I hoped it wasn't misunderstood - I have no interest in "soft" dogs, but neither do I want a dog that will bite first and ask questions later -- simply, the response to a given situation needs to be APPROPRAITE. and not all males are "properly aloof" -- 2 of my last three have been/are "lap dogs". My 14 year old oddly enough is ALL AMERICAN -- she's the odd duck -- A gift to my wife from another breeder friend -- She was also supposed to have one bad elbow - so we never bred her -- and here she is climbing stairs as 14 -- usually with only a little assist at either end on the steep stairs -- but getting around darn good for someone 3 days older than salt water. To breed or not to breed -- that ol' chum is the absolute question -- migh even be grounds for a divorce (one could only hope - tee hee!!) It's the people you have to go through to find good homes that have always been the problem -- staying up all night whelping pups is nothing -- cleaning poops and driving 35 miles each was to get goat milk is no problem - my dogs are worth it !! It's the puppy buying public -that is a royal pain !! and a big reason why we "retired". IF my little man certifies at both ends, his litter ZW is 75 I think, and I get my little girl from ANDO in the Spring -- we could do some damage with such royalty as FARBENSPIEL, ALTENBERGER LAND, MICHELSTADTER RATHAUS, KIRSCHENTAL, BATU, STECKENBORN, ARMINIUS and WIENERAU -- to name just a few. TTFN.

Hi Pineridge, Your quote of Shakespeare nearly had me earlier spinning off into more abstract realms altogether. Shame! Still, there's one that knew human nature. You mentioned problems with public, but if I regaled you with excruciating traumas one experiences when looking for 'real quality' pups, you'd agree it cuts both ways! In earlier life, I dealt with people on almost a revolving-door basis, and they still manage to amaze me with their cunning little shenanigans and plain orneriness! Shakespeare knew a thing or two! Goat milk! For the pups, yes? On its own? Shepherd can surprise, though. One I remember best from childhood was bitch named Asta, pet basically and sweetest girl you could ever meet, good-looker too.(Come to think of it, she left some later ex-girlfriends there for dead!) Never, and I mean never, scantiest inkling of any aggression. One day though, out in some meadow, had beef with best friend and we started giving each other the odd shove. Forgot Asta was even around. But, faster than you can blink an eyelid, she was at him out of no-where and delivered bite on upper arm that still shows little scar today! And, that's despite fact that she knew him intimately. I was reminded of it way back when Charlie remarked about average dog not standing up to a man. Woudn't risk divorce at any cost, sir! Names above? There's class! Maybe risk it anyway! Priorities after all! Cheers.

Hey Pineridge, my male that I presently have and work in herding goes back to Vasko v Kirschental through Amie and Winnie. He is an incredible dog. He has produced some outstanding pups (mentioned in another thread) 3 bomb certifed dogs and 1 narcotic dog. (this is out of the 9 pups he has thus far produced). I have the pick female from the first litter. She is incredible. (mostly working line dam). She now has a litter out of a working line male and the pups are everything I hoped for in temperament. Thus far comformation also looks nice. The nice straight back, nice flowing movement. They are still young (6 wks) but are already taking nice full grips on toys, ropes, each other! They are also very ball driven, intense and focused. Most are going to working homes, so time will tell what they will turn out like. I really like the old herding lines combined with the working lines. Gives me the drives, focus, genetic obedience and intenstity I want/need as well as a willingness to work as a team.

taa daa -- Reinformcement from another front - Sierra - I have loved these dogs for over 30 years !! you, at least, know why. (Do you have a puppy from Dalma ?? My Deja (Vasko Daugher) was a dead ringer for Winnie - and her Granddaughter Kali is just like her -- (Now 9.5 years old !!) Nice Bi-colors are hard to come by these days. Oh, now I can brag about some of the pups that came from Deja and her relatives -- 3 working Police Dogs, 2 Border Patrol Dogs (that could bite -- and OUT !) several Therapy dogs -- PATRISHAP -- no they didn't eat any of the nursing home residents - that's a sad story alright -- and one of the Vasko pups was a bomb detection/narcotics detection dog - who went to Washington to show the Senate why we needed more bomb dogs in airports after that panam plane blew up in Scotland many many years ago !! They are something. Yes Mr. Brit -- GOAT MILK FOR THE PUPS -- we had so many large litters that it was better to supplement with Goat milk when they could lap it up themselves. The secret about goat milk is that mother doesn't mind and will still clean the pups -- unlike if you switched them to a slurry of something with dog food - yuk !! she would stop cleaning them. So Goat milk mixed with cottage cheese and yogurt as they got older and only as a supplement to mothers own -- always worked for us . Trying to find it in the middle of February was another story sometimes -- But you can freeze it too. Amd Mom likes a drink too -- (better her than me - I can't stand the stuff).

Pineridge and Sierra, Truly impressed, Sierra. Before looking here, just posted to Charlie how special working ability, doesn't mean you can't have good looker as well. It's all in the right kind of blood. Fascinated with goat milk scenario, Pineridge. Trying to figure out where to get it. Did cross mind your better half wished it for bath! Hear the one about hotel owner after Ava Gardner demanded expensive champagne bath? As he didn't want to waste it, he rebottled, but couldn't figure out why he had more afterwards than what he started with! Cheers.

Hi Pineridge, my guy is out of Xissie who is out of Amie (same dam as Dalma) and Josker v Kirschental. Xissie looks exactly like Dalma and Amie and my girl is a dead ringer for Amie v Kirschental. If you put thier pictures side by side..it is hard to tell them apart. This line also goes back to Vasko. Very interesting huh that so many of this progeny are working bomb/narcotic dogs!!! I give raw goats milk to my litters/young pups as well. VERY good for them. My dam will clean up after her pups NO MATTER what. Everyone keeps telling me she will stop when I put them on 'food'...nope she still cleaned them. Then they said she would stop once I dewormed them...nope she still cleans up after them. They are 6 wks. old now and she will still let them suck from her occasionally. (she barely has anything left!) I think she just really enjoys being with them. She also still cleans up all thier stools etc. I am trying to catch it before she does...but it doesn't always work. Now, that could be another interesting topic. Do people take away the dam from the pups and at what age. I had some die hard SchH people come visit the litter at 4 wks. old and they were surprised that I still allowed 'mom' in with the pups. I believe this is very important for a 'social' pup/dog. She teaches them a lot about dog /pack behaviour and how to relate to each other, how to 'read' dog language etc. My dam is very gentle with them but will go in and break up a fight if need be. She also LOVES to play with them...and this teaches the pup how to play with older dogs/pups etc.