Dogs that are difficult to manage: what is it like, whats your experience? - Page 6

First, I didn't read through most of the replies. I now train all my dogs on electric collars. Its not only a good teaching and correction tool for "bad" behaviors. Its an awesome handling tool as well. You don't have to shock the dog. The higher end training models have a vibration mode. Mine does have an adjustable shock button. 9 times out of 10, the vibration is enough warning for the dog to get into good behavior or be corrected. On any dog, but especially the hard dogs. There is no better tool over a good e-collar.

Take the collar off the dog. dog obedience not worth a shit that why u have to link to the lead and then to your voice .the u have trained your dog to mechanical electric and last and takes the longest your voice it is very important for the dog to understand verbal commands. Maybe im wrong but it sounds like u skipped all the hard work and just shocked your dog when disobeying.where is the fairness to your dog

Max, when you talk about an e-collar as "teaching tool" you actually missed the sense of this tool.
It always should be a "correction tool" only - the dog has to know the commands, the dog has to know what´s right, and what´s wrong - basic education/training already happened.
The e-collar should be a reminder, a compensation for f.e. the "long leash", never a teaching tool.
Even a dog needs to know WHY there is a correction, and not learn through correction.
I hope that makes sense, difficult for me to explain.

Why not just buy a remote control car to play with instead of a dog and e-collar.

Max yr dogs aren't trained at all.

Yes, its a correction tool. Yes, you do have to still train the dog. You can give warnings via vibrate mode, when the dog is losing focus on what you want. In this regard they are also a great handling tool, especially off leash. Corrections are only good when the dog fully understands it did wrong. Firm and fair. Over correction can turn into negative reinforcement!

My dogs understand they are about to do wrong via vibration. If they continue on the same path, they know a correction is next. Its a great handling tool, fair and firm.

Not read all the posts, but this dog sounds like he is high drive and never learned to control it rather than dominant or aggressive. Put too much handler pressure on this kind of dog without giving him a release valve is the most usual reason for the handler getting bit, once they've got this far, it will take a while with good timing to handle him safely and such dogs need to spend a lot of time with the handler so this pushy behaviour as soon as the dog has handler contact burns out. It is often born out of desperation for interaction, but it's not fun for the handler, handler wants to spend less time with the dog instead of more, dog gets more desperate and it's a vicious circle. The more compulsion you put in, the higher the dog gets. Hope he finds the right person soon, bfore he is too far gone.

Margaret N-J