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by susie on 04 January 2014 - 13:01
Why? He is right -
Till a couple of years ago a sable was a no go for "normal" German Shepherd hobby owners, they only wanted the black and red dog, for some years now more and more people are asking for the " dark sable ", and the breeders do follow.
Same with DDR / KNPV - for years the brand name "DDR" was the best marketing tool for working line breeders, now it´s the term KNPV.
Breeders will satisfy the consumers as they always did ...
Till a couple of years ago a sable was a no go for "normal" German Shepherd hobby owners, they only wanted the black and red dog, for some years now more and more people are asking for the " dark sable ", and the breeders do follow.
Same with DDR / KNPV - for years the brand name "DDR" was the best marketing tool for working line breeders, now it´s the term KNPV.
Breeders will satisfy the consumers as they always did ...
by BlackMalinois on 04 January 2014 - 13:01
Well Susie do you have experients with the KNPV PROGRAM which dogs and breeders do you know and see for real life , have you ever certified a PH-1 dog?
What are you training which dogs and pedigree ?
by johan77 on 04 January 2014 - 13:01
KNPV is done in holland, hence naturally many GSDs will never do it even if they could. I don´t think it´s any special with the GSDs doing KNPV,a good dog is a good dog and that seems true for the KNPV GSDs which either are 100% from none KNPV-dogs or some have one or a few KNPV-titled dogs behind them in the pedigree.
by susie on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
No, BlackMalinois, as I already mentioned several times, I am German, and I grew up with Schutzhund and Police dog training. I started 34 years ago, titled several dogs in SchH and trained several dogs for the American police during the eighties. I never participated on Regionals or Nationals, I am just a woman spending time with her dogs. Is this enough for you, or do you need my credit card number, too?
Please, read Johan´s post above. I second it 100%.
A good IPO dog is a good dog, and a good KNPV dog is a good dog.
KNPV is very trendy right now, that said, people want to buy this kind of dog, as a result a lot of dogs will get their titles, and a lot of dogs will be bred, plain and simple.
Please, read Johan´s post above. I second it 100%.
A good IPO dog is a good dog, and a good KNPV dog is a good dog.
KNPV is very trendy right now, that said, people want to buy this kind of dog, as a result a lot of dogs will get their titles, and a lot of dogs will be bred, plain and simple.
by BlackMalinois on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
Johan 777 do you think you can every titled IPO dog certified for PH-1, don,t you think the GSD breeders will select some special bloodlines ?
I,m wondering most of the comments coming from people without any training , knowledge from the KNPV program breeders and dogs outside Holland !!!!!
I,m wondering most of the comments coming from people without any training , knowledge from the KNPV program breeders and dogs outside Holland !!!!!
by susie on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
Forgot to mention: I like KNPV, I am not against the Malinois, so what´s your problem at all?
by BlackMalinois on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
Well Susie if you not have any experients with the KNPV dogs, KNPV program , breeding I can not take you serious what are you talking about
Kennel names like Gardefense, Blitse Dune , Haus Ming , Tiekerhook, Hornhutte, are specialised in Black Sable GSD for many years in KNPV !
by susie on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
Thank you so much BlackMalinois 
I love bossy men - enough for me, I never trained a dog in KNPV, so I am not welcomed in this thread ... (although, actually I was a spectator on some trials, is this enough for you ? )
EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT POSTING HIS / HER THOUGHTS IN THIS THREAD, ONLY DO SO, IF YOU HAVE TRAINED OR ACTUALLY ARE TRAINING IN KNPV.
OTHERWISE STAY AWAY, EVEN IF YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL TRAINER FOR POLICE OR ARMY, WORLDCLASS COMPETITOR IN SCHUTZHUND OR ANYTHING ELSE, ALL OF THIS DOESN`T COUNT IN THE TUFF KNPV WORLD OF BLACKMALINOIS.
Once again, this was my statement: "Till a couple of years ago a sable was a no go for "normal" German Shepherd hobby owners, they only wanted the black and red dog, for some years now more and more people are asking for the " dark sable ", and the breeders do follow.
Same with DDR / KNPV - for years the brand name "DDR" was the best marketing tool for working line breeders, now it´s the term KNPV.
Breeders will satisfy the consumers as they always did ..."
Take a look at the breed statistics...
I love bossy men - enough for me, I never trained a dog in KNPV, so I am not welcomed in this thread ... (although, actually I was a spectator on some trials, is this enough for you ? )EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT POSTING HIS / HER THOUGHTS IN THIS THREAD, ONLY DO SO, IF YOU HAVE TRAINED OR ACTUALLY ARE TRAINING IN KNPV.
OTHERWISE STAY AWAY, EVEN IF YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL TRAINER FOR POLICE OR ARMY, WORLDCLASS COMPETITOR IN SCHUTZHUND OR ANYTHING ELSE, ALL OF THIS DOESN`T COUNT IN THE TUFF KNPV WORLD OF BLACKMALINOIS.
Once again, this was my statement: "Till a couple of years ago a sable was a no go for "normal" German Shepherd hobby owners, they only wanted the black and red dog, for some years now more and more people are asking for the " dark sable ", and the breeders do follow.
Same with DDR / KNPV - for years the brand name "DDR" was the best marketing tool for working line breeders, now it´s the term KNPV.
Breeders will satisfy the consumers as they always did ..."
Take a look at the breed statistics...
by BlackMalinois on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
Susie you don,t know anything about the KNPV dogs and breeders what I said before you have not any knowledge breeding GSD for KNPV.
by Ibrahim on 04 January 2014 - 14:01
So if someone does not train in KNPV it means he/she knows nothing of value to share in this thread? If a person trains in IPO he/she is not credible in dog training discussion? Susie said she trained few dogs for Police, you said KNPV is a tool to train and choose dogs for Police !!!!!!!!
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