by Juno on 29 May 2019 - 21:05
But, that’s another story don’t want to steal this thread.
by duke1965 on 30 May 2019 - 04:05
Valk, to think there is only active and passive agression is misunderstanding,
there are various causes for ,and types of agression, many of my dogs with very good level of natural agression can be walked in public and make IPO3 without anybody actually seeing it, some others cannot,
and then there are some that will attack the handler for a correction
there are dogs that are FFing agressive in their crate or fenced garden, fall apart outside,
and soft weak dogs that will kill you if you come near their food.
supersocial dogs that have such high posession on lets say a toy, they will bite you if you want to take it,
agression out of frustration
just a few to choose from, and these are not all
by duke1965 on 30 May 2019 - 04:05
by Juno on 30 May 2019 - 11:05
by apple on 30 May 2019 - 11:05
Werner Schulz, owner of Parchimer Land kennel was a member of the DDR army called NVA and a soldier at the border wall from 1974-1975. He writes on his website that where he was at the wall, there were only five dogs that were good at man work. He said the majority of dogs "had no strong nerves." They would bark and were just there for "fear and fright." I think there are still plenty of confidently aggressive GSDs, but they are less common and harder to find. I'm not so sure that a lot of the dogs you saw were showing aggression out of confidence.
I also believe the Dutch have shifted from the old style Mals and DS's who were very dominant and socially aggressive to a much more social dog, extreme in prey and hunt, but willing to fight.
When you bring your dog out to do bite work, how would you describe his behavior as he comes on the field and sees the decoy?
by Juno on 30 May 2019 - 13:05
Fired up even before he sees decoy because he is cueing from my body language that he will be doing bite work. So when I get him out I actually have to put him either in a down stay or sit stay command when the decoy comes into view. No agitation from decoy. I usually give him a command to alert “pass auf” and he alerts immediately or I send him on the decoy to engage at a slight movement from decoy. BTW he will alert on command in any location if I tell him to. For example, we were walking a few days ago and I heard some weird noises behind some bushes and he immediately turned around to approach it, no barking just curious. Gave him the alert command and he immediately fired up. Turned out a neighborhood hood kid who has some emotional issues but loves dogs and wanted to approach him. I asked my dog to back down which he did but did not let the kid approach nor pet him. So, he is a very clear headed dog but very strong willed.
by apple on 30 May 2019 - 13:05
by ValK on 30 May 2019 - 15:05
juno, looks like you somewhat did spoil him from very beginning. now, he do allow you to lead but have reserved "what is my, is my" attitude.
if i remember correctly, sometime ago you did rise that issue of dog's possessiveness and was advised to work it through release in exchange for toy.
apple, here on few occasions this misunderstanding was discussed before. in former DDR so call "wall dogs" wasn't a patrol dogs. DDR was only country in former east bloc, who did use that kind of deterring protection by the permanent placement of dogs on the border line between East and West Germany. in others countries such means wasn't practiced.
duke, how would you classify aggression, shown by those dogs?
by Juno on 30 May 2019 - 16:05
by apple on 30 May 2019 - 18:05
I know you asked Duke, but that is clearly defensive aggressive and doesn't look particularly strong to me. It involves self defense because the soldier is jabbing the dog with the stick and there is an element of guardiness because the dog is either guarding his food or water(resource guarding.) The dogs, especially the second one look stressed and uncommitted to the bite, but have few choices because they cannot totally flee because they are chained. They are worried and are trying to chase the worry away. Most people would consider this shit training today.
There is a Mal from KNPV unregistered bloodlines who is a stud dog where I train. He was sold to his current owners because of the foundation his original handler put on him. Every time the dog was brought out, all he did was bite. Because of the dog's intensity, there is no way he could be titled now. But if he had a different foundation, he might be able to be titled, but it would still be a challenge. He has very good genetics with poor training. Even if he was going to be a candidate for police work, which is more of the type of dog he is, the foundation training nixed the chances of him becoming a police dog because they need to have control as well.
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