Long Coat or very plush - Page 4

 I know a lot of you obey by the rules of SV but can someone tell me why they want to aloud long stock coat to be shown but yet you can't breed them?? on't they want to put a special class for Long stock coat??

Sorry but for me having a long coat is just a fault..if your dog has a good conformation, have the ability to work and have a great temperament I don't know why you shouldn't be able to breed them...

The coat fault for me is not worst than a roach back, steep croup, poor angulation (as we see a lot in working type GSD), east and west feet, short upper arms rotties head etc etc...

It does not interfere in their ability to work..but conformation fault does.

I don't breed to get long coat, but if I do get one that is a lot superior than the other, I will breed it with a non-carrier.  I know that those pups will still be carriers but than again if you breed them with  non-carrier some of them will be non-carrier. Then if you want to be sure you DNA.

Long coat has always been there and as we can see .  Even in the early years, when they just killed them to be sure nobody would use them,  it didn't help at all. There is still long coat..and it will always be.  We human think we can control everything..we failed again!!  

That's my opinion and I don't care what the SV, AKC, CKC think...I care about genetics, I try to understand it and make sure I bring healthy puppies in this world.  The rules are there to be challenge and to be change if it's to make it better.  I know a lot of breeders would love to be able to show their LC and stop placing them as pet quality when in fact they are real breeding stock and wonderful representatives of this breed.

Anyway. JMHO

No i have never had dna done as i dont breed,

I dont know about other country's but in the UK there are WALCCS ( white and long coats) shows and also breeders of long coats here is one  http://www.kazetigsds.co.uk/ 

I have both long and short coated shepherds the long coats in my experience are  heavier and thicker set than the short coats,  I dont know whether anyone else has found this to be true.

I love long coats. They are my favorite GSD. At home now I have one long coat, and one puppy short coat, I love them both, for me they are both perfect in their own way. I don't care what SV has to say, you don't like long coats, don't buy them, I love it so far I never found a long coat with bad temperament, and most of them were the best thing that ever happened to me. So sorry I don't discriminate base on looks. Would I bread one? For that trait alone, no I don't think so. Would I breed it if was everything I looked in a GSD but happen to be just long coat, hello yeah and try to stop me. Hey some people should not be born because they are stupid, and we still let them vote, have kids, and so on. If we would be as strict with people as we are with dogs, the word world would be so much better. LoL hahaha

Stupid people shouldn't breed, long coats GSD are fine. LoL hahahaha

by the way this is my long coat, I love her to death, she is 2 now I would not give her away for any money.

As i said, its the words and rules of a very few people who expect thousands of others to follow what rules they have made up

To me the rules are wrong but it is for every one to decide what they do

As regards young Goran i had the DNA done along with the Hips and Elbows, but as i said in another thread the SV  take  forever to send on results, It lke waiting for paint to dry with that organistion to get your results back,  and it does not impress me at al, but in the cirumstancesi had to go to them as the University of Liege was not accepting any X-Rays etc for some time,

Still by the time i get them Goran will be a mature Dog

Regards him being a long coat for me its the Dog beneath the skin which counts

Steve

 snajper69 , I do not agree with you,, "If we would be as strict with people as we are with dogs, the word world would be so much better".  Look what we have done breeding the dogs, roach backs, walk on hocks, we have hidden health issues in the lines so they do not get bred out. Now we are breeding really short muzzles that will effect the jaw lines of the dogs. You see skinny  heads with muzzles that look like collies. I think we would be better of not interfering with Mother Nature, I think she had a plan with reasons why and changes that come with enviroment should come naturally. I think we are very arrogant to think we Know what is best..

July- just because the SV will soon allow coats does not mean everyone agrees with it, first of all.  The LC gene isn't going anywhere.

Second, I would absolutely prefer to see a LC dog with healthy, completely correct working structure than a stock coated dog with the faults you listed.  If you would honestly take a dog with unhealthy working structure over one with a long coat, it just goes to show where your preferences lie, and it is NOT with real working dogs.

 A faulted dog is a faulted dog, and should not be bred in any case, but I know many LC dogs who are outstanding workers, and have the correctness of structure to maintain work their whole lives. I am currently putting PP work on a LC east german dog who is an incredible working dog. A dog with a back back, crappy angulations, poor feet/legs could NEVER do what he does, yet because he's a coat in your book he's less of a GSD than a stock coat that looks like crap? Give me a break.

1doggie2- I see what you are saying, but if we stopped "interefering with nature" purebred dogs whould cease to exist. You cannot have it both ways.

A good LC can still do well in schutzhund, PP, tracking, obedience, agility, SAR...they do not have to be only pets. Are they breeding stock? In my opinion, no. But how many stock coated dogs out there are also good workers but not good breeding stock? Many.  We are all entitled to our opnions and as breeders stick to our personal ideals. At least many of us here HAVE ideals, unlike so many who are really doing damage to the GSD.

My first GSD was a coat and the most beautiful GSD I've ever seen was a sable with what I call a Shollie coat. Long, harsh guardhairs and a deep undercoat; a coat that would do any Rough Collie proud.  I doubt I will ever again own one due to the grooming needed. Now that I have a stockhair, I've grown too lazy to brush as aften as I used to and I have arthritis in my hands from grooming dogs for 35 years.  My longcoat, Dylan,  had very soft cottony guardhairs that easily matted. I used to keep the hair behind his ears  and the feathering on his legs trimmed short so mats didn't form. I also trimmed his feet in the winter to prevent iceballs from forming between his toes and on the pads. If I didn't mind doing that, I'd own another. I would hope that those who do get coats in their litters make sure the buyers know what they are in for. A coated GSD is not generally  a wash and go dog

snaiper69,you're allright.I think i like you,i hope you're NOT a guy.Nice puppy by the way.

 KCZaja,

I never said I would prefer stock coat over LC if the LC is better. On the contrary,  I said that having a long coat doesn't interfere with workng ability. I think you have misunterpreted what I said in my post.

In fact agree 100% with you, if you read it again you will see. (maybe a couple of english fault cause i'm french!!).

Julie