You want to buy a pup because you want to excel in IPO, agility, show, or something else? - Page 2

Yeah, but Lamborghini doesn´t lower the standard so everybody is able to buy and drive their cars...

There are two ways of selling - either quality or quantity.

For me there is no reason to breed a working dog breed "for everybody" - too many breeds already lost their initial temperament - I´d prefer to go the "Lamborghini route" - less dogs, but better quality...

My advice to a newbie is buy an older pup or young adult, buying from titled and parents with great temperament is still a hugh gamble which i have done myself, the reason being is top name working litters go fast and before you can even see the temperament in the unborn or super young litters they are all sold off or reserved and thus the saying pups can be a crapshoot.... unless one is taking an experianced temperament tester and experianced reader for the working traits desired then it is still a hugh gamble without doing so, and the older the pup you can test say over 8 weeks the better and the more accurite to get a good read on the temperament, I,m amazed sometimes the average or poor working temperament i see coming out parents themselves that are both top notch. So for the new buyer dont let anyone pressure you in buying a pup saying they will all be gone real soon and if the breeder is not willing to send you many vids to reveiw that is a breeder not too concerned on how good of temperament he or she is trying to match up to requist of the buyer.

"When will this discussion move to REAL working dogs? So far it's only sports, and how bad show dogs are..."

Susie stated straight up that this was advice for the newbie that wanted to do "whatever" with the GSD. It is good advice. That it does not agree with your idea of the GSD changes nothing. It doesn't agree with mine either and most likely not susies, but still good advice.

IMO, the chance of a newbie getting a pup that excels at anything is pretty close to 0% or less unless they luck out or do a lot of research or hook up with someone successful in what they want to accomplish.

JMO,
Rik

The more famous the ped  eg sire, the easier it is to get a famous ped puppy, no matter if it is show or work.

 

I live nowhere and can get drago, elluite, quardes, all the cz famous dogs.....

 

Breeders that dont title or compete typically stack their lines full of oldest and latest famous dogs. Hard working breeders in contrast make new unknown dogs famous.
 

Surely, for a 'newbie' to the breed, the crux of this thred is "because you want to excel in ..." ?  How about THIS perspective, to broaden the discussion and introduce a different angle on buying a puppy (or getting any age dog of the working breeds) ?: If you are a newbie, you are likely to have more success in the long term at any of the above if you FIRST learn about, and to live with, the dog. By all means get an adult, a rescued dog, ... or a puppy if you really want to start with one. (And there's no denying the fun aspect of that !)  But take some time to gain at least a little knowledge and experience, without the pressure that THIS dog must excel at your chosen activity.

if you want to exel at anything, mingle with those that are successfull long time before you buy your dog, chances are the successfull ones will push you in the right direction

To excel at any dog sport/activity requires a commitment equivalent to pursuing any human sport  to a descent level. The ones that have what it takes will get there anyway.

Newbie that don't, will never excel despite the best advice.

No sorry commitment is not enough for IPO, you can excel at obed, agility, tracking, every akc sport, frikkin guitar playing, power lifting, shooting, swimming, marathon running, differential equations, chess and Chinese checkers.....many things an individual can excel at and go far from their own backyard on their own.

IPO you will not even get to the starting gate without depending on and relying on the skill of other people from the get go.

Please don't bullshit to the newbs that all you need is effort and commitment.

VK, commitment is the first stepping stone to any endeavour, certainly when it involves dog training.

Obviously you will need a club for IPO that is a no brainer.

 

Not only the pup most be some talented also the newbie handler mus have some talent  and skills , I know newbies who trained with real good
quality trainers but they never will be at that level or will ever be good handlers why dog training is not so easy you
need very good vision , timing, reading dogs and know how to anticipate, not every single dog is the same you will always fall hard and make a lot mistakes in the beginning , but that does not matter you will take all that experience to your next dog.

If you are a young healthy person start also decoy work you will learn a LOT about other dogs and training.There are many world class trainers who are also very good decoys.