Tracking Video Lessons with Ivan Balabanov - Page 4

I actually really like to let my dog do the wrong stuff first! (within reason of course). That way he can get it out of his system, figure out it's not rewarding and figure out what does get the reward, i.e. heeling in the right position, staying on the track, etc... Especially when the end result is a dog who has to trial on a 33 foot lead, which means they can go off the darn track anytime they want to. I don't want my dog to get insecure in trial because he gets off the track 2 feet and doesn't feel that line dragging him or correcting him (essentially showing him) back to the track. The dog has the nose, he gets to choose to figure out where the track is,and it's my job to make that rewarding for him.
Ivan's awesome! I've learned alot from him.
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RS
Thank you, but that is me on or off the computer i do not change in real life, some take umbrage over it some not that is up to them i never bother how they take it,
Beetree; you can do what you want to with my posts i will not change my way of writing.
Funny thing though, When i was at school i was always top in English Language never beaten in an exam, Maths, however i was always at the bottom, and we did not have computers when i went to school or all the way until i was 15 years old when i left to go to work we added up with our fingers if we needed to there was nothing else, no calculators ot things like that
Steve1

Steve, they don't teach anything like they used to anymore. I actually thought I paid you and Alphapup a compliment on the content of your posts. My intention was only to let you know what would make it easier for readers, but if that isn't a concern, then that is certainly okay with me, LOL. For the record, Alphapup could use the paragraph breaks more than you, IMHO. 

Here is a website that explains those acronyms incase you were unawares or interested:

 http://netlingo.com/dictionary

Beetree
I find it strange that i have published a small book in which the people printing it did not do any changes at all,
Plus i have sent to the biggest Pigeon Magazine in the UK over 80 Articles of which each covered four A4 size pages once every month.
Again the Editor did not ever change anything. They are very well read by some 30.000 Fanciers and i have never had one complaint that anyone had a problem reading them.
Yet yourself and one or two others on here find my posts difficult to read, What i am thinking is that you Americans speak and write in a different way that us Englishmen do and the way we have been taught.
I have no intention of changing my style of writing at all if you find it that difficult then do not read the posts and as for paying ALFAPUP and myself a compliment i find it just the opposite, if you criticize something a person is doing that is not a compliment but that is no concern of mine if you do not understand ,
I am not the one that has to remedy it I can fully understand my way of writing and expressing myself, The problem is yours to work out if you wish to read my posts if not then that is okay
However saying all this i still think you are a very nice Person and no harm meant or taken, the above is just a reply to your post and without any animosity at all
Steve1

Thanks Steve, we'll just leave it at that. You're okay in my book, too.

I did not realize Ivan is so young....i been hearing his name for ages...not bad looking either... :)

He keep himself in shape. That helps a lot.

Chaz .. you need to read . i did not say" ivan trains .. top dogs" .. I stated and implied that for anyone it is easy to go through a lot of dogs , get the dog that has it all and train that to go to the top in a competition . And to go to the top , let's face it anyone can if they have  the 'right' dog . hard to go to the top in Sch with a dog without retrive instincts now , isn't it ?
     ok . i got a hold of some of the videos, being promoted  from acquaitnaces to see what the big buzz is .  HELLO - the priciples being discussed are NOTHING NEW !! 
                 for eveyone's sake the conepts  Pavlovian [ Classical ] Conditioniong and also Operant [ Instrumental] Conditioning are very very old concepts . these behavioral principles go back to at least 1950 , Skinner did experiments teaching animals / pigeons , rats formulating the priciples . Karen Pryor worked for the US navy teaching dolphins [ BTW everyone should read her book '  Don't Shoot the Dog' ]. Goodness in 1973  i had already mastered them .BTW IMO ,  it is their methodology folks !!
                now one point of feeback : IMO it is NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT to state that you do not want the dog to in initiate the behavior !! Hello .. ? why do you think they call it Operant Conditioning . the word 'operant' comes about because either the Dog OR  the Person is an 'Operator' - [can intitiate a behavior to come about]. Either one can initiate or bring about the behavior to unfold . Is not that what you are training for ? IMO : POSITIVE and 'TRUE ' MOTIVATIOPNAL BEHAVIOR comes about when you have changed the dog's outlook to such a degree by altering / affecting his motivation that the dog cannot wait to offer you the behavior . in that respect  An offering is a request to initiate , yes? .  i  do not give "COMMANDS" to the dog but merely allow the dog to perform the behavior that it so intentsly desires to perform .
               To illustrate : does a dog in Sch heel because you tell it to . Not exactly and it makes no sense intially for the dog to be walking always staring up - this is not natural. the dog needs to be given reason and motivation . the dog must want to heel  and from that want you get you so called ' drive'. that is the point , to achieve and maintain that type of behavior [ in your terminology drive] the dog must be driving you ,  for that it has to BE  'in drive'. Now how many times i revert back to a fundamantal . :If the dog wants to perform a behavior he will . ?? Is that not the best of all in training , getting the dog to want to do , and to such a dgree , that YOU don't have to assert YOUR  will ?
                 the gist is not that the dog wants to drive you for a behavior andthe premise ,  that is not good.  but more so the ISSUE is : THAT YOU are ULTIMATELY in control . that control is by giving the dog PERMISSION or NOT . Nothing wrong that  dog works you to achieve YOUR GOAL, ie heel [ this goes to all behaviors/ eg bitework  . this is best done also in teaching a dog self -control [which i often have discussed on the PDB],
               STEVE1 states the situatuion well > it is not a contest about a battle of the wills - if the dog wants what you want .you are golden ! and to bring the post full circle : this is not so easily done with 

 with dogs that lack certain specific innate behavioral traits. 

Alpha, I apologize for not being able to comprehend your writing. It is clearly my inadequate reading comprehension. I'll work on it. Can you work on something for me? For years, you have been spouting off about how you don't use the term drive. Yet, you find it easy to use in every post, but you always state that it is our term. If you don't like the term, don't use it. Show us the way.