Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 31

Mithuna, keep counting. No matter what the final number is, the inbreeding coefficient would be SO SMALL that you'd probably need a super computer to even have the capability of going enough places back behind the decimal until the first number that isn't a 0.

I know you have a bit of a man crush on Hans and don't really want to hear anyone else's reasoning. But instead of focusing on a dog that far back, you can look at the 5 different dogs your dog is linebred on in the first 5 generations for answers. But I know why that doesn't work for you...none of those dogs are anything special, no one knows those dogs, it won't impress some stranger on the internet that your dog has that pedigree....but if you tell them that out of 2048 or even 4096 dogs (I'm assuming you're going beyond the 11th generation as well) that Ex shows up 60, 70, 80 times...they might care?

And the award for "best poster" (and not the meaning of someone who posts,lol) goes to Beetree! Nice work!

Beetree, that wouldn't be Rin Tin Tin, would it? (The original, not the 1950's version from the TV series.)

BV you are dishonest in constructing you so called numerical argument and now by going your direction I am presenting the line breedings of the dogs in the FIRST 5 GENERATIONS OF MY DOG'S PEDIGREE:

She is the following :

3-4 on Condor H Christian. Condor is 5-5 on Ohle v Rundeck ( famous for his aggression levels and also a grandson of EX ).

4-5 on Duran Weigegang. Duran is 5,5-4 on Ingo Rudigen ( Ingo is 3-2 on EX )

4-5 on Bera Haus Christian. Bera is 4-5 on Puska Haus Himpel a son of Bernd V Lierberg ( Bernd is a son of a foundation working GSD Vello ). Bera is also 5-5 on Don Haus Himpel ( Don again is 2-2 on Bernd Lierberg )

3,4-4 on Lady V Sachsenzentrum. Lady is 3-3 on Lord through a son of Lord Irko that went both to the LGA and BSP. Remember Lord is 4,5,5-5 on EX. Lady is also 3-3 on Biggi Peri Hoff whose sire and dam is descending from the famous Rolf Osnabruckenland.

4,5-5 on Brando Mardeklause who went to the LGA is is 5-5 on Ohle Rundeck( a grandson of  EX )

4,5-5 on Maxi v Perihof. Maxi is 4-5 on Ingo, who is 3-2 on EX.

4-4 on Sando Haus Iris. Sando is 5-5 on Condor Marderphal , a son of EX

5-5 on Nestor vdg Hohen . Nestor is 5,5-5 on EX.

4-5 on Tino Fenschelschloss who went to the LGA. Tino is 4-4,5 on Ohle v Rundeck ( an EX grandson ). Tino is also 4-5 on Ingo Rudigen ( who we mentioned was 3-2 on EX )

5-5 on Filou v Kaolinsee . Filou is 5-4,5 on EX)

Im not going into this again. To  those who insist that EX cannot be playing any role , we are simply on different sides of the fence.

 

 

I don't see what all the shouting is about. The OP got the exact dog he wanted, for better or worse, probably worse. You know what they say about what you wish for.

It just might be that his dog's perception of the world and people comes from the owner.

Bavarian Wagon gave you the best advice on this thread Mithuna. Prager only gave you a big fat excuse for you to use while trying to sham us with his "crystalball"

A pedigree gives us an *idea* of how the dog *should/could* be, but I am all for working the dog you have in front of you instead of coming up with excuses of her behaviors because her great great great great great great grandfather produced something great.

Good dogs can come from bad dogs, bad dogs can come from good dogs. 

Work the dog and the issues she has in front of you instead of far reaching for excuses.

Happy training :-)

Video coming soon waiting on availability of neighbor/helper.

@Susie thank you for the math but unfortunately that is not how genetics works. BW already brought this up. There are other factors like dominance of genes. Dominant genes will propagate for generations and to observer who knows what to look for it is quite obvious not just in theory but also in practice.  Really I do not care what  people think about how genetics propagate but to turn it into mathematical formula like that is quite wrong.

 

 @BW I am not ignoring anything. The point is that certain traits  will at right circumstances show up many generations later. The certain traits will show up consistently for 10s of generations especially if breeders promote them.  What is the problem with that?  The breeding in male bloodlines is based on that knowledge. On top of it certain  phenotypic signs - in this case reversed mask are tied together with specific characteristics in this case characteristics in temperament. That is fact which  people who understand this will not deny.  

And one more  thing. If you look  at dog today you see ALL traits of dogs from past. Sometimes  it is hard to see them and sometimes it is not.  Where else do you think the traits of the dogs come? They come from past dogs.