Personal Protection Dog Not Sport Dog - Page 6

Duke the facts that there are some success's does not change the whole. I think the tide has changed, alot are returning to the shepherd. But what does that or your success have to do with the other fact that people have trouble finding really solid canvas to work with? Micro macro...

Duke, were those dogs titled in sport? My answers are in reference to the topic of sport dog vs PPD.....not Mals vs GS. I just used Mal reference in Germany to show that in the country where there are more sport titled GS than anywhere in world, they are searching elsewhere for some of their dogs. So were they titled sport dogs? Just curious.
It has been my experience in life that whenever there is an excess of a commodity, prices are always low....unless the commodity can't be used. But maybe my thinking is old fashioned...🙂

There are a lot of logical reasons why sport titled dogs aren’t being placed in police departments. I doubt that the IPO club culture in Germany is that different from the United States. Most people are doing IPO for themselves, and just enjoying training and titling their own dog. They’re not out there to slap a quick title on the dog and then sell it to the police department. Police departments need dogs by 2 or 3 years of age at the latest, otherwise the working life of the dog isn’t worth the price and there aren’t that many dogs out there being titled by that age. The dogs that fail? Or say don’t live up to the handler’s/trainer’s expectation, I guarantee you there is another sport person in Germany or in another country (especially America) that would pay much more for that dog than any police department could offer. A highly accomplished sport dog (and don’t get me started on show), brings back a much higher return than even a dozen or so police dogs that a trainer might’ve been able to train during that time. On top of that, a full time trainer can probably train a few police dogs while they’re training a higher level IPO dog. Wouldn’t have a guess at what the actual return would be, but with some of the current prices that are being floated for the latest imports to the United States…I can see why that’s a much better option for excellent trainers.

Over the last 30 or so years, people have learned a lot about dog training. Standards are higher, and specialization has occurred. IPO and K9 work is vastly different at this point with IPO demanding much more control and perfection than ever before and K9 work expecting much higher standards and also things like drug/explosive detection becoming a larger part of their jobs. Foundation work is necessary from a young age and a dog’s direction is generally chosen at that point. Difference in foundation, age at which police departments accept dogs, and a larger overall secondary market for “washed out” IPO dogs are just some of the reasons why police departments aren’t getting IPO titled dogs anymore.

hardly sell any titled dog to the police for same reason, money, price for titled dogs is higher than what police/vendors will pay so titled dogs dont go there,

sportbreeding is getting weeker also, from the three GSD to germany one was pedigree dog, linebred on baki salztalblick, getting some more nice dogs from him, good agression/civil, but sometimes also handleragressive

when im testing pedigree dogs I look at pedigrees first, and mostly have a good idea what will be coming up, tested a bunch of dogs this week from famous sportlines, several of two national champions, wont say who LOL, nice pets, nothing more, tested and bought two pedigree dogs from old czech lines, bought them both, good drives, strong dogs, one from Lucas vrtovsky doliny and one grandson of queit z pohranicni straze, , also bought a nice dog for borderpatrol , 1 year, fatherline haus pixner, two times honza okal, on a female bred by jinopo,

is it accidental many of the good pedigreedogs, suitable for policework I find are old lines and not modern sportlines, I think not

NYPD I was told at my visit there when I was selling them dogs, takes only GSD. NYPD has some of the best training program I have ever seen in LEOs.

Duke, it's not accidental. Good points. 

Duke, that's my point, there are difference in most sport lines and the lines that are successful in LE work.....but people can believe what they want.

Reliya that is exactly what I was thinking about. As for everyone else, let's take a chill pill.