Evolution Debunked - Life from dead chemicals??? - Page 4

Awww, Bee ! And I was just going to welcome you to the
dark side. :P

Good grief - take a few hours off to watch Crufts, and this
all happens ! (Waves Hi to Carlin - long time, guy !)

I came into the thred cos I just felt that I wanted to thank
VK for his quick exposure of the nature of the 'qualifications'
of Shtal's latest poster-boy. [Cheers, Pete.]


...But then I saw that Shtal wrote:
that his dentist's video provides a "...good explanation

as to the enormous burden of proof evolutionists bear

when they attempt to use current scientific enquiry to

form theories of life from non-life."

and I could not resist responding   'Right back at you',

Shtal.  It seems to me that christians have an EVEN

BIGGER burden of proof on them if/when they attempt

to justify creationism.  After all, scientists and atheists

have the fossil record AND LOGIC on OUR side;  what

have you got ?  Oh yes, "You must have faith in a book."

2 things,:

 

1. Evolution is not a study of how life started, that's a completely different branch of science ie chemistry. It is complete ignorance and deceit to conflate evolution and abiogenesis ie chemistry. Shtal has been told this multiple times but he chooses deceit.

2. If life can not come from non life what did ethereal, non-matter god outside of space and time where no matter existed make life from?

Special pleading and god of the gaps much.

Indeed.

Here is shtal's conclusion to this thread....I will give my old favorite example or in other words shtal's interpretation of the video in the first page of this thread if someone does not understand what the video is talking about...

If we replace the universe by the large jet engine and if we were asked by someone to explain it, shall we approach this by mentioning the persons agency of its inventor (designer). Or shall we follow atheism, dismissing this person (agency) and explaining the jet engine by saying, it arose by naturally physical law and I would say it would be just absurd and it is very obvious we need both levels of explanation in order to give complete description, and it is also obvious that the scientific explanation neither conflicts or competes with the agent/creator explanation, they compliment one another. It is same with explanations of the universe, God does not conflict or compete with the laws of physics as an explanation, God is actually the ground “base” of all explanation, in the sense that he is ultimate cause in the first place of a being the world for the laws of physics to describe…
The laws of physics can or could explain how the jet engine works but not how it came to exist in the first place. Jet engine needed the intelligent and creative engineering work. The laws of physics could not actually produce the jet engine on it's or there own; there also needed to be some material, subject to those laws that could be worked on it. And, now this could be very humble stuff, but it is not produced by laws. I will tell you this that the world of strict naturalism in which clever of mathematical laws all by themselves bring the universe and life into existences are pure science-fiction.

Also many people misunderstand about laws of physics consistence throughout God existence. God is eternal, and I would not to try to put God into our laws, God is not subject to time, space and matter, he is above and beyond and outside all of those. If we are going to assume that there is a creator of the universe.
If he created everything around us, everything we see and don’t see, and one of those foundational principles of the universe is that everything must have a cause; it still does not mean that the creator is affected by it. So therefore the creator does not necessarily need to have something that caused it to come into existence; the creator is not subject to the laws of his own creation. If God worked through the natural laws of the universe and was subjected to them, then everything is fine. Just because one exists does not negate the existence of another. Right from the beginning I think God created all things in six days and he took his hands off and allow them to run down, that is not changing the law of physics, it’s the same God. God is the same yesterday, today and forever, he is not changed. You see Jesus can walk on water if he wants too or walked through the physical doors, it will be no obstacle for him.
I mean these are controversy to the laws of physics, but I think many people are trying mixing apples and oranges; I think God is not subject to the laws of physics; he created them, he is not subject to time, this is not the year 2016 in Heaven, there is no time... One last thing; God looked at everything at the end of chapter-1 in Genesis and said everything was very good. Bible tells us very clearly in Exodus 20:11, I made everything in six days, everything in heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is. If an average person cannot understand that verse then the Bible is incapable being understood.

The creepy shit is shtal talks about himself in third person. I don't think he knows who he is any more, shtal is an intersection of plagiarised internet posts and opinions. Shtal is himself lost, a loss of identity. He posts to himself, he talks to himself, he plagiarizes others thoughts and believes he is the one thinking them.

Shtal is creating himself as his own god in his own image as he drifts further from reality.

True that... and sad :(

Why would you be shown the jet engine ?
Does it need fixing ?
If it does, how is the name of its inventor
relevant ? Should the inventor not come
back and fix it ? If it was all down to your
god, that it was able to be invented and
doesn't need to abide by 'man'made laws,
then surely your god could repair all break-
downs. Physicists AND mechanics all out
of work at a stroke ?

Sorry Shtal but it is impossible to invent
anything without at least basic 'knowhow'
and some grasp of the physical or chemical
processes your invention is harnessing.
Name an invention that does not by its very
existence depend upon scientific fact.

Replacing the universe with a jet engine is an idiotic strawman. No atheist claims the jet engine spontaneously assembled itself from raw materials, another idiotic strawman. In fact we can pick up a god dam phone and ring the jet engine designers, builders, the guys who dug up the raw materials, processed them, transported them......what an idiotic straw man.

What do we hear from god, can you call him, have you seen him, how do you even know it exists, where is your evidence. I can get evidence of people building jet engines, fuk you can go to Boeing and watch them do it, no magic involved.

 

WTF  does dead chemical mean anyway,  you have seen living aluminium?

Shtal, you have been exposed as a liar and a thief and you don't even skip a beat, as usual. Not even an apology, not so much as a blip on your radar. You are so used to distorting truth, it seems to come natural for you. If you need deceit and dishonesty, you've lost before you've had a chance to begin, which is exactly what numerous people have been telling you for YEARS. The end does not justify the means Shtal, it's really time to do an in depth examination of your true motives. That's not something to be done in a public forum, that's where you have to search the depths of your own "soul", if you will. I just hope you can come out of it as a human being, that's my wish for you, really. I don't think you're a bad person, at least I hope not, but you've got some serious issues to sort out. I wish you the best.

Any think it weird shtal refuses to answer the question if he is a moonie or not.

Most Christians would distance themselves as far from the moonies as possible, shtal will post constantly but refuses to post on the moonie question.