Sit means Sit or Wait & Stay - Page 3

Nans,

For me, if my dogs are heavy obedience than I give a correction and put them in the Positon/command three CORRECT  times in succession. Not sure if your girl (didn't reread the posts) is a pup or adult? But my instances were mostly done/taken care of in puppy hood. But even now years later if something isn't "perfect" out comes the leash and it's classroom time!

Just yesterday, I had the whole gang in class due to hunting season getting ready to start. This will be the youngster's first hunting season.

Thanks Alboe;  that is what I did; put her back in the car, made her wait then released her.  Only did it one good time though, will be working on this again, daily until she really gets it.  She is 2 l/2 years old and old enough to know better, I thought.  But back to basics for us as she is just not listening, barking,acting crazy, beating up the boys,  and having fun doing it until they yelp.  Am very pissy right now, wanted to wait until my attitude changes before I seriously work her.  Last night she ran by me and knocked my board off my lap along with everything on it;  second time she did that I did not have dinner plates or anything else on my lap just the board.  My hubs picked that up for me, knew I was furious.    Thx  Nan

Nans,

I know by mine, even the other breeds and what I read on here or see with my friends dogs; They ARE some wild situations that our dogs go through, put us in, or just make us ask WTF? I don't get into the mental aspect of the dog but at times you really would like to know what they are thinking or why they did what they did?

In my earlier posts when first joining the PDB I was at my wits end with my Czech female. I live on a farm and as soon as the back door was open if there was a rabbit or the rabbits trail in the yard Ana was GONE, 100miles an hour, prey drive up to the clouds and deaf as a door knob! Was SOOOOOO close to getting an E-collar and she would've been my first dog ever to use one. I said to myself that I just had to work harder/longer with her. She's not perfect there but she is alot better, I'd say with me @ 95-97% obedient in that situation. But the times she's not.............. put the boots on grab the flashlight and hit the woods.  Good luck. 

Thx Alboe:  I'm over it now; but makes you wonder where the h--- you are in the training??  In this case she was getting out of my van in my garage but what if it would have been in busy traffic??  JHC.  Well I know now that I have MORE work to do;  and normally that is not a problem.  But this bitch has pushed me past the breaking point.  She does wear an e-collar, had it on but did it anyway.  I was more interested in getting a hold of her (around the scruff) and got into her face big time still holding her by the scruff,  I do think I made an impression and she knew I was not a happy camper as she tried to go to the hubs to get him to pet/hold her;  like "daddy I'm in real serious trouble" can you help me out??  Too funny.  But most of the time I don't care what they do, we deal with the problem and move on.  BUT when it is a life threatening situation and they have been taught and told to do something or not a specific way for safety, I come unglued but that is not good either as with this bitch it kind of scared her;  however, since then she has quit barking a feed time which we have been working on for months, drives the hubs crazy.  Go figure.  We will master the task though as it is a safety issue.Thanks for any help and suggestions;  Nan

The simpler the vocabulary and more clear meaning the commands have, the better.  Teach it as sit means sit and hold that position, will work out for most purposes (exception I will tell you in a min) including schh.  People are in habits of using stay.  most of the time it's because the handler is just afraid their dog might break, and saying that extra word and walking away like on eggshells makes them feel better?  but how does it look to the dog?

So why use stay?  In some cases training a dog it's useful for them to have stay when they will be there for a longer time and the pet owner can periodically reinforce it with a hand signal, and for purposes of training a pet dog there's nothing wrong with using stay,  I think using "wait" is redundant.  Also it's useful to teach dogs the meaning of "stay" which is to "hold this position"-  Let's say you want to teach a behavior like, say for example, a dog lifting up its paw and holding it up in a certain way, or putting their head onto the ground on a down, in that case a dog knowing stay is important, having a concept of "hold this position," where you can physically manipulate the dog or use a lure, then say "stay" when that paw is held in the right spot, then release and reward.  When you do work like this for an ad or photo or whatever reason you want to teach the dog a trick or specific behavior.
FWIW- I think that phrase sit means sit is trademarked ;-)
Someone else mentioned the word "freeze," something like this is what I would say "stay" for, example your dog is going over an obstacle and you're hands-off and want to stop them, sure you could say "Stand!" but if you already taught stay that would work as a freeze type thing.  Also, I teach every dog I train a command meaning "flop down, get comfortable and stay there," and i say "Settle" and teach them to lie down with their hips popped sideways and stay there.