Sport to LE? Who's done this? - Page 25

Duke: @ joan, we hardly ever test anything two year old, but most are between 7 and 11 months, and intention/motivation can be seen at that age as well


Thanks. Still even at that age, is not a " very young puppy" to test for civil.

Yes, I agree that intention/ motivation is evident at that age. But Vito say, test ' very young puppy' for civil?

Hans

I apologize, as I'm not the best writer. I'm not trying to be cryptic. In my head, things are complete, but maybe I don't write everything.

I was basically saying that you complain about the things you do. You complain about WG sport dogs, but they are in every pedigree of every dog you have. I wasn't saying that you have a bitch on your home page of your site. I said you had a Bitch with that kennel, you named, but then right on your home page, you're touting a sport dog.

As to the video, I'll be 100% honest. #1 I obviously posted that because it was/is your dog and one you've bred. #2. I wanted your opinion, as you were quick to comment on Joan's video about the dog and the training.
#3. I assumed you would do what you did, and just say she was awesome and not address what you have been complaining about in this thread.

A good argument is fine when there is something to learn. Maybe others have, maybe not. The one thing I've learned here, is that you and myself have our beliefs, and I don't think that is changing. I just get a little miffed when people talk about Sport when that person has never participated, and can't back up their claims. This isn't all you. To be more honest, you jumped into this later than the one who made the original statement, who disappeared shortly after the statement.

What I saw in that video of, Donna?, I think her name is: nervy bitch that required the decoy to constantly swing his arm in the sleeve back and forth to keep her on the bite....as soon as the guy stop swinging his arm, she became very noticably munchy and spit the sleeve before the handler could cover for the weakness in the grip and pretend to choke the dog off ( the sleeve has already been spit out by the time the handler got near the collar)

That dog is so weak on he sleeve, that I doubt she could ever bite for real nor on the sleeve with any degree of pressure applied.
She needed to have her comfort zone; sleeve moving to let her know she was safe...as soon as it stops moving back and forth she let's go like she is preparing to blow the campsite....she never took her eyes off the sleeve, completely equipment oriented and no interest in who or what is behind the sleeve.

Typical weak dog with training attempting to cover for the weakness in the dog.
And yes, Vito is correct, everything pragre has been bitching about is contained in that video....fabric fetish, and all.

That dog could not even start the puppy in my video.

That's my take on the video.

Vito: I just get a little miffed when people talk about Sport when that person has never participated, and can't back up their claims.


Who was 'that person' ?

Vito: Yes who is the person who has no experience in sport and who is the person who made the original comment but disappeared? You're asking us to publicly name breeders that focus on extreme sport breedings that we think are potentially detrimental to the breed. These are people we may personally know and see in real life on occasion, not worth making real life sport training pretty miserable to attempt to prove a point online.

On the other hand you are not naming people that you are directing insults at on this thread. Maybe they could defend themselves if they knew who you were talking about. Personally I'd like to know. Just for the record I agree with just about everything you are saying about sport dogs, I hope something I've said was not taken the wrong way.

I watched the first video of Donna. Good grip and counter when needed. Body language on the bite was good. Without reading into it, thought she did well for the purpose of the video. Looks like the out is about finished, teach the blind search and she’s ready for her IPO1 protection routine.

When the handler approaches she spits the sleeve prematurely = lost points.

Supposed to be LE k9?

Dona is letting go in anticipation of out command. She is letting go a little too early because does not like a sleeve BECAUSE SHE IS CIVIL( lol) and would like to bite for real. THAT is why handler comes there for out to restrain the dog from doing just that. And the decoy is moving the sleeve exactly because she is civil and she hates sleeve and would otherwise re-bite on the body. This is of course lost on you. I personally know the dog and have seen what she does when the decoy stopps moving. She goes off and bites for real usually right under the arm into a stomach. Joan, yet again you are totally wrong and your evaluation is a bias expression of hatred of me through which anybody can see through.
Btw Dona was best of dog in the Police academy of 16 dogs.
So,....Joan please keep embarrassing your self to make obvious what you know about dogs.

Lolol. Civil and yet never ! takes her focus off the sleeve. And the decoy has to constantly make movement with the sleeve or she is going to blow out of there like a scalded cat..lol.
I've seen that many times in ads with weakdogs for sale. Look like dogs I ve seen at clubs wit h weak sl that need to keep playing with the sleeve or they scatter.

Lol. How is Joan embarrassing herself? By telling you what she sees in the video? I think you did the same thing. And when it is your dog, there is a backstory and what you see isn't really what's there, right? Ironic that you judge her dog and every sport dog, but your dogs are different, and we just gotta trust you on that.

I didn't think she was far off. I'm not one to dissect video because there are too many variables. But if I had to, I see a dog that "looks" like it is staring past the helper at the sleeve when he's not wearing it. Once he goes back to get it, the dog is actually pulling on the line vs what we see without the sleeve. The bites look chewy, but what do you care, right!? You're not a sport guy and this is a highly defensive, civil dog. The outs are not great. We could go on for 29 more pages, just on that. Is it what you say? Could be. Maybe a training thing. Maybe that same training issue caused some of the chewy grips too. I don't know. Could be genetic.