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Kimmelot

by Kimmelot on 20 January 2011 - 05:01

Ohhpppsssee ... well I suggest not breeding a dog with severe allergies unless it was onset by human corruption .. ie too clean of environment- too many antibiotics as a puppy and not enough dirt/germs and the dogs immune system was going in over drive.  I was watching Tv (Dr.OZ  while doing laundry) and they said that some people that have intestinal issues, that could have been cause by a too clean environment, can totaly recover with either whip worms or thread worms given by the Doctors- something about the immune system getting back in check and stopping an attack on the intestinal cell walls. Incredible ! I wonder how many dogs are put on series after series of Antibiotics and wormers, only to suffer life long immune issues ?

Whisper

Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 20 January 2011 - 12:01

"...and no, there is really no quality kibble, unless you enjoy eating cereal for breakfast lunch & dinner."

You gain no credibility for yourself or the benefits of raw feeding by making sweeping, erroneous generalizations.

inc

by inc on 21 January 2011 - 00:01

Now a days many doctors and nutritional experts are saying "anything that is mass prepared/processed is not good". Like cereals, candies, chocholates, frozen foods, unfrozen foods and many more. Even frozen meats and vegetables. And I think certain percentage of it is right.
And kibble is mass prepared and definetely has some ingradients used to store etc and they are not good for our health.
Our grand parents lived 90 plus years because they never had antibiotics or all these next gen drugs. Also they never had soft drinks or even this wide variety of alcholic baverages and also never had all these stored foods like frozen foods, microwavable foods etc

If you watch TV commercials on drugs, you find that they talk about 5 seconds on what that drug is used for and 25 seconds on its side effects.

Based on my experiences I support raw feeding or home made food feeding to pets. In some countries no processed dog food like "kibble" is available or limited availability. What all people do is cook ground beef and rice with a pinch of turmeric and feed it to their dogs. And their dogs live healthy drug free, vet free for many many years. I have seen some dogs lived 16 yrs and more and one dog even had cateract in her eye because of her oldage.

No allergies. Nothing. So I would  try raw food or cooked ground chicken & rice or ground beef & rice, egg yoke & rice, yogurt & rice, cottage cheese by itself etc. I know of someone who feeds scrambled egg & rice to their dog and he is like a rock. But remember to try any thing for atleast 2 weeks. And a clean gut is better like many advised.

Inc

VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 21 January 2011 - 02:01

"Guys, this is an old thread, put up as a link in her new thread, " How long after giving birth before she can do x-rays." .

Someone suspects her using this dog with the allergy problems for breeding."

Going by the dates on this post, it's possible. The litter pedigree is on her site and AKC lists his DOB as 10/15/09.

*sigh*


by kacey on 21 January 2011 - 02:01

When I read OP's initial post (yes...it's old), food issues were not the first thing that came to mind. Auto-immune disorder was. This really has nothing to do with feeding kibble vs. raw. Really...at this point...who cares?...kibble with high protein content, corn, wheat products, chicken meal, bone meal yadda...yadda...yadda....is it going to answer the most important Q? Nope.  It's like asking oneself how a child develops a peanut allergy....or a gluten allergy....or a bee/wasp sting allergy....the list is long and tiresome. Let's assume dogs really are no different than humans. Some pups (from healthy parents) develop some kind of intolerance of sorts, to whatever. Would I return a pup after 7 months. Nope! ...I work hard to bond with my dogs, from a very early age. I'd simply do the research to mitigate the flare-ups, and maximize the dog's potential. Sorry to say, but vet's abilities/capabilites are limited when it comes to diagnoses. I'll venture to guess, that most hard-core dog people on here, know their dog(s), better than their vet does.
 
I know the OP is long gone...hey...let's face facts...it's hard to hear feedback sometimes...but if he/she ever does come back to check out other posts on the topic he/she started...and I'm sure I'm late on this tidbit (DON"T breed the dog)!.


Keith Grossman

by Keith Grossman on 21 January 2011 - 13:01

"Our grand parents lived 90 plus years because they never had antibiotics or all these next gen drugs. Also they never had soft drinks or even this wide variety of alcholic baverages and also never had all these stored foods like frozen foods, microwavable foods etc..."

Hate to be the one to break this to you but life expectancy for people (and for pets) has steadily increased for at least the past 150 years.  Again, I don't really care what anyone chooses to feed his/her dog(s) but let's keep the conversation honest and stop providing inaccurate or anecdotal "evidence" as the basis for that decision.

by TessJ10 on 21 January 2011 - 14:01

"Our grand parents lived 90 plus years because they never had antibiotics or all these next gen drugs."

Say what?  BECAUSE they never had antibiotics?  Antibiotics have saved countless lives!

Keith is absolutely right.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/slab/antibiotics/history.htm

by sable59 on 21 January 2011 - 16:01

NO!!

by sable59 on 21 January 2011 - 16:01

NO! a breeder can't guarantee something like this. now if it was an entire litter,well that is a different story all together. definitely a person should never breed a pair when they know bad things are produced.





 


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