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by desert dog on 22 January 2011 - 01:01

Abrahim, I don't mean any disrespect, But you've posted alot of threads about why a person breeds a dog, and it all comes back to either money or a persons ability to make sound judgement about what he is mating. I don't know if just you don't trust your own ability to make a proper mating, or you just have a problem with a person selling a dog. Either one If you only feel like there are 2 or 3 people in the world that is really knowledgeable enough to breed a dog , who would they be? I know most large breeding kennels that have well established breeding programs have mostly aquired dogs to be used for their programs, from small  folks that maybe only have a few dogs that are bred for their own personal use and sell the others that they either don't have room for or have to sell them to care for what they keep. Not all breeders are rocket scientists, most are just common people that have enough common sense to no you can't just go to someone you don't know and get better than what you have in most cases.
hank

Ryanhaus

by Ryanhaus on 22 January 2011 - 01:01

Wow, so many great questions!

Nice post.
I breed so that people can enjoy what I enjoy about my dogs, and to better my bloodlines.
I charge a price for my pups so that I am assured the people that are getting a puppy from me can pay the vet bills and afford to train their puppy.

I title my dogs in obedience cause I need them to understand what I am telling them, after all we live under the same roof, I don't want to live with a disobedient brat of a canine!
  I also love to communicate with my dogs, they really listen to me, people are amazed, but I find it the norm.

I also have a few pups that are becoming service dogs, and are helping disabled people lead a normal life, that to me is a really good achievement.

I also take back any dog I have bred if something goes amiss and the owner can no longer care for MY puppy, no matter what age, I don't want to see any of my dogs go to an animal shelter cause I don't want to contribute to homeless pets, they are returned back to where they were born.   Not shipping my pups makes it easier to keep track of them.

brynjulf, I too love genetics, I raised rabbits when I was younger, I had Dutch, Angora(fawn & white), New Zealand's, Chinchilla's, California's, palominos, and maybe some Cabbits>Not sure how that turned out cause the lady across the street gave the litter her cat had to the animal rescue, but I swear my New Zealand was the daddy!


alboe2009

by alboe2009 on 22 January 2011 - 01:01

I have bred chows before but I wasn't a breeder per se. My GSDs are in the planning stage. I work as an Explosive Detection Handler and the "goal" is to  certify my 2 females in the spring. That way I can use mine and not the companys. A contract will require the handler to have 2 certified dogs so that if the first alerts the second can confirm. 

The goal to breed is so that the pups stay "in house" therefore being mine where I can train them, hopefully cert them that way more work/contracts. Certain dogs I will sell discounted rates to  my former police buds/departments, PDs, military, or public safety. A couple will be gifts for friends. My goal isn't to make money. Overall goal is to see/show/put out what I can produce. Keep my lines going and to gain more knowledge and experience. Plus to be doing what I love with a larger group of dogs. 2nd is to do my part in the fight against terrororism and other threats against America.     

by brynjulf on 22 January 2011 - 03:01

Ibrahim,
  I always let show people look at the entire litter.  Often they pick a different puppy than I do anyhow.  So never been a problem thus far.  Some litters I dont keep anything and some litters I keep 2 or three (OK a few times the whole litter but .....)  People looking for family companions get pups out of the same quality litter and they may end up with a better pup than I do.( yup more than one of us has sold the pick of the litter only to regret it later...LOL)  When you breed quality you have quality pups.But one thing the puppy buying public should understand is that breeders are entitled to the best pup.  I own the bitch, I did the research, I scoop the poop, I train and title my dogs etc.  A puppy buyer should have the utmost in respect for a professional breeder. Most of us work a 40 hour week and go without frilly underpants, vacations,manicures frankly a normal life, for our dogs.  We work very very hard.  Did i answer your question or did I totally misunderstand?

Mirasmom, Did you like your Paliminos??  I have see a few at shows and they look lovely!  Currently we are Satin people but I used to raise English Angoras :)

by hachiko on 22 January 2011 - 08:01

Ibrahim your questions r very relevant but i dont think anyone is going to own up that they r breeding purely to make money. In my case im not a professional and have 2 dogs as pets. i think my Gsd is gorgeous and thats y i want him to stand as a stud dog when he is of age so that i know how will his kids turn out, this is very exciting for a pet owner i guess.

ali


by Ibrahim on 22 January 2011 - 08:01

 brynjulf,

Yes you answered the questions and you are clear and know what you want from breeding.

desert dog,

I don't remember I posted a lot of threads about why a person breeds a dog, maybe you're confusing me with some one else? As a matter of fact my most interest is to learn about the GSD and in particular the standard and structure.
Anyway I come from a different society and it is of interest to me to have an idea about how others think and go about breeding.
I will give you some facts about another part of the world, but please let's not take the thread away from its original topic and turn it into a mess.
Here due to wrong understanding of few religion issues, due to lack of genuine human rights, due to weak financial status of individuals, due to lack of legislations regarding breeding dogs and some other reasons the majority of people are either against a dog in the home or can not afford one.
The remaining people who have nothing against dogs and can afford one do not breed and do not support breeders, they look very low to those who breed especially those who sell dogs. I myself respect good honest breeders.
In our society we look highly to Americans and Europeans, we see them as more honest and do enjoy their lives in better ways.
But when one deals with Americans and Europeans he finds that this beautiful picture we make of them is not always true. I will give one example and I mean no disrespect to any, most of the German breeders I contacted and who advertised a dog for sale, when asked why do you want to sell it would tell me (lack of space, I have more puppies coming etc etc), is this a coincidence that all breeders do not have space? When asked a direct question (what do you think could be better in your dog) would answer in a way I wouldn't understand anything from.
I do not think the majority of western breeders are very honest about their dogs and with their customers and I do not believe that all breeders are true about their aims and policies, so I would like to hear answers to above questions to learn more about breeders and why they really breed.

I respect breeding, I respect breeders,  I myself may breed my dogs, and I know there are good responsible breeders and there are the opposite, on this forum I know quite few breeders who are excellent humans and breeders and I look up to them.

Ibrahim


Ryanhaus

by Ryanhaus on 22 January 2011 - 13:01

Sorry to vear off into Bunny Land>but>>>

brynjulf,

check-out this bunny, I believe she was part Dutch & Angora, but not certain where the blue eyes came from, this is from a long time ago, my daughter is in her late 20's now.

  If I had the sense to, I could have created a new breed of rabbit, oh well, many years gone by.....



by tarekallam on 22 January 2011 - 16:01

I am paying a lot of money to import dogs from Germany, Hungary etc... I pay in hard currency i.e. dollars & / or Euros therefore I have to make up what I have already paid & to earn some extra money for feeding, vaccinations & vets etc... So I breed to enjoy the hobby & to make money.

Don Corleone

by Don Corleone on 22 January 2011 - 17:01

Tarekallam, probably the most honest answer, but I bet you catch some flak. I wish I could reproduce golfclubs to pay for my golf hobby.

by tarekallam on 22 January 2011 - 17:01

Don- Saying the truth is not easy sometimes. However before anybody shoots would he please tell us why  does not  he offer the puppies for free to good homes? If he replies to this then I will be ready to catch some flak.





 


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