Reply to Shtal (Interesting facts, for believers) - Page 23

So,
the sole reason god created the heavens and earth, all life, was for his own glory, to please himself.
To be worshipped.

With the promise to destroy it all and take a select few to a new place called heaven for all eternity, which is a very very long time, similar to infinity, something most people can't get their heads around even now.
And the rest go to hell and suffer for the same infinite length of time, because they did not obey.
Oh, and there are those who will be stuck in between in a void.

The Earth was once covered with more water than land, and you think it was a flood brought on by rains and the will of god.
And this is what created features like the Grand canyon.

Why has god never made himself known to more than a few who claim to have spoken to it in visions and dreams, or through a burning bush?
Why would one who created everything not take an active roll in caring for it?
Why do the innocent suffer?
Why are there only ten commandments?
The are so many questions without answers.

If there is a god at all, above all others if any do exist, and I face it one day in judgment, I will have a bone to pick with it and I will not go down on my knees to do so.

I didn't start this conversation, it is as old as religion itself.
There have never been answers, everything is taken on faith in words written by man, not a god and not direct quotes spoken by god, only visions and second hand accounts.
Prophets, I do not believe in the term.

Quote from Gsdguy8 (since I can't easily figure out how to quote a post like every other forum I'm a member of):
"Wildbill...... So what if the scriptures are right? What if there is a God? And those who don't do what he says, do go to hell? Would it not be better to live a good life doing what the Bible says, than to live a life not believing in God..."

No. I won't spend the only life I believe I get believing in a fabled rule book I don't look at as legitimate on the chance that it will get me somewhere I don't believe in.

So, no. I already believe I live a good life, and I don't believe in the bible or God.

Uh, no.

Moons I will answer your questions, hopefully I don't have to put it into two posts though.

I will answer some of your questions, some I will not as you have stated you don't believe in prophets.  But keep in mind the scriptures speak of false prophets in biblical days, not to mention the passage I spoke of in 1 Corinthians tells why we no longer have prophecy.

Why are there only ten commandments? I'll do a little explaining of something else before I go into that.  First, I know that some claim "Christianity has only been around for two thousand years".  That is not completely true.  Beforehand they were called disciples, however they were first called Christians at Antioch.  The religion of worshiping the "One true God" (as Christians worship) has been around since the beginning of man.  Baptism is when one comes in contact (not literal contact obviously) with the blood of Christ, the One who suffered on the cross for the sins of the world.  One must believe in Jesus, that He is the Son of God (one who does not is considered an antichrist......Again people today try to claim there is a literal antichrist/political figure going to do horrible things to the world, or they say it's one specific person.....The scriptures teach of it being anyone who denies or opposes Christ) before being baptized, or else he would not be baptized for the correct reasons. It would be nothing more than being dipped in order.  It is the act and command itself that is important, there is no "power" within any body of water. I say that as some try to claim we think it's "holy water" like a Catholic would. That's not true. Now we have the ten commandments......Well, we must first consider that Christians are not under the old law. I can support that with passages if needed, or if anyone wants them.  But why do we have it? It is for our learning (as mentioned in Romans 15:4).  In one way or another, 9 of the 10 commandments were restated in the New Testament however.  The Sabbath was not.  Jesus and the Apostles did use the Sabbath as a way to teach Jews however, and in part to prove Jesus was who He said He was.  Jesus teaches how important love is a number of times through the gospels in the New Testament.  There is so much of other things mentioned in the NT that show what to do and how to live.  I can refer passages if wanted for those too.

(This is continuing my above post, for length reasons again)

I mention that because people try to say Christians believe in some very harsh things to be done to people for "sins", that seem outrageous to do.   Yes under the Old Law people were dealt with in a more serious manner. Although many (especially the Israelites) were allowed so many times to repent and change their ways.  But yet they kept going back into very serious sins.  But Jesus made it a point to show how important love truly is towards others, and God for that matter.

I'm not following you on what you said about "those being stuck in a void.  Can you clarify what you mean?

As for the heavens and the earth, so many of the other things (which Scientist try to use to prove He doesn't exist, like the planets, solar systems, stars, etc in some way or another) were created to prove He was the creator. Think about it, what if ......there was just earth and that was it? What would be so fascinating about that? How much more complex is countless stars, solar systems, planets, etc? The book of Psalms chapter 19 mentions about the Heavens (not heaven.....when the scriptures speak of "heavens" it refers to atmosphere or what we would see in outerspace) and creation and how it tells of His work. Much more mentioned than that, but for space on here....   Some try to use arguments that "Christians at one point thought the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around the earth.  I find that nowhere in the scripture, nor did anyone in biblical times ever write that.  Not to mention, where the ones who did this truly following God's Word in their lives? Correct me on the years if I'm wrong, but was it what, the 1,500s? When whichcraft (which was fake) was a big thing. People in certain cultures then walked around all doom and gloom acting as if "God's people" weren't allowed to be cheerful in any way.  Whether they did that or not.....that still would go against the attitude of a Christian. Christians should be loving individuals.  And happy for that matter.

(Again, continuing from above)

You mention about "second hand accounts".   There were over 500 witnesses of Christ's resurrection itself.  Not to mention those in the city who would have seen others who came out of their tombs after the resurrectioin.  There was no need for Christ to write His own book for everyone. That was not what He (I say that because you say only second hand accounts.....but do consider these second hand accounts, some of them were ones who walked (literally) with Jesus........Yes they would not all have seen everything go on of course. Just as not everything that happened is mentioned. We have what we need.  And some of in the gospels would have been by second hand accounts/witnesses.....but yet the story remains the same in all four gospels) came to do.  Now the remaining letters in the New Testament.  Many were written by Paul to different Churches, or to Timothy, Titus, and Philemon.  The one's to Timothy to instruct him.  The ones to the Churches to instruct them, to condemn things they were doing that were against God, to edify and encourage them, and in general to show his love for them.  I did want to mention something as well. I hear on here so often about "judge not" or "he who is without sin".  Those passages are taken way out of context when used like that. Christians are called to judge with a righteous judgment. No man would be without sin, but would be referring to a hypocritical judgement in the judge not or he who is without sin passages.  As in someone continuing to live in this big way of sin, but yet they cast judgment (condemning the things they constantly do that are sinful while not repenting for that matter) on the very same things they are guilty of.

Moons, if I missed questions you want me to answer,  feel free to repost them. I'm positive I (not to mention I've taken your questions out of order I think) did, but without it letting me post one long message.....It rambled things up for me.

Moons, sorry for so many posts. I would have put that all into one if I could have.

GSD guy,
I heard every variation now including yours since early childhood.
From bible school, preachers, true believers in the church to my parents and my two grandfathers, one of which was a minister and the other a deacon and builder of the church that still stands today with his name on the stained glass window by the family pew.

No, you didn't do any better, actually not as good, not even close.

500 you say.

If there was only Earth you might have a good argument.

I can see you really tried but you take the long way around and seem confused by the direct nature of the questions.

Since the beginning of man there have been many gods and faiths, myths and magic, but one true god, not since the beginning of man.

That came later.

You cannot answer the questions because the answers do not exist.

Moons.

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Seems to be fixed.   There is still a hard limit of 32k internal limit.   Can't bypass that..