Reply to Shtal (Interesting facts, for believers) - Page 26

RNA transcribes and creates the required proteins dictated by the DNA code. Human or a frog or a cat or a chicken .. (lol) Beaks, ears, organs, toenails, feathers - everything. Without RNA - no life. How did that happen ? lol

Travels: I just get the impression you are being obtuse and surprisingly, pathetic. You don't "get it", because you don't want to. The joys of cognizant dissonance. You do sound just like Shtal, a good observation Ruger1. You are even wearing his well worn " smuggly" shoes. 

Like the BIG LETTERS too, when you get to use your Darwin Bible. It is very funny before my first sip of coffee.   When you actually start to talk from your "heart", about your thoughts,and reasons etc.,  instead of all the recent research bombardments not so ingeniously used as your own thought processes and values, I might find something of interest. Maybe.

Oh, so I see you have nothing of value to input into the conversation, so it's much funnier to make fun and tell me I'm like Shtal.  Well, the difference is, I'm not pushing my agenda, just giving the responses to the canned creation arguments and each and every one fails.  So sorry.

Gotta go to work, catch you later

No you don't see at all, That has been my point. I do see your game, is all.  You are not interested in an exchange of ideas, just about "winning". Therein lies the pathetic part.

GSDtravels  Your right you are not like shtal.

Shtall has the power,you posess none.The power Iam talking about ony is given by God.
Shtall is annoited,you are not.
You are a coward,Sthal is not..  Here is what Im referring to.

Peter denied Christ to stangers.  After the Holy spirit was given at Pentecost.
Peter was crucified upside down at Rome John 21:18-19.  Peter had the power,He died for his belief.  Would you Travels?

James-Beheaded by Herod Antipas  44 AD  Acts 12:1-2.
Would you like to hear what happened to the rest?

SHTAL would die for his Lord and his message.
Sthall has the pwer of God,his spirit dwells with him.

 What a friend I have in Sthal. It is not wise of any one to mock one of Gods annointed.

   gouda

gouda you need to be a little more specific on mentioning Peter.   When you say he denied Christ to strangers that makes him sound like an unfaithful Apostle, and we know that's not true.  In that time Peter followed Christ from a distance after Judas had betrayed Christ.  Peter was said to have been with Jesus .....three different times and he denied Christ all three times.... before the rooster crowed twice.  As earlier on Jesus said Peter would.  However we know Peter to have gone on to preach of Jesus later on as evident in the book of Acts, and even having two of the books in the Bible from Peter himself.   Also Peter did not die at the point you mentioned (I know others may not look up the scriptures) more so foretold of how.

Some might find this interesting about the Apostles and their deaths. I have a book that mentions this as well, but being it's on a site too......

Summary:  The Bible only mentions the deaths of two apostles, James who was put to death by Herod Agrippa I in 44 AD and Judas Iscariot who committed suicide shortly after the death of Christ.    The details of the deaths of three of the apostles (John, the Beloved, Bartholomew and Simon the Canaanite) are not known at all, either by tradition or early historians. The deaths of the other seven apostles are known by tradition or the writings of early Christian historians.  According to traditions and the Bible, eight of the Apostles died as Martyrs.  At least two of the Apostles, Peter and Andrew were crucified.

Simon surnamed Peter  died 33-34 years after the death of Christ.  According to Smith’s Bible Dictionary there is "satisfactory evidence that he and Paul were the founders of the church at Rome, and died in that city. The time and manner of the apostle’s martyrdom are less certain. According to the early writers, he died at or about the same time with Paul, and in the Neronian persecution, A.D. 67,68. All agree that he was crucified. Origen says that Peter felt himself to be unworthy to be put to death in the same manner as his Master, and was therefore, at his own request, crucified with his head downward." 

James the son of Zebedee:  He was put to death by Herod Agrippa I  shortly before the day of the Passover, in the year 44 or about 11 years after the death of Christ.  From Acts 12: 1-2. 

John: No death date given by early writers.  Death date is by conjecture only and is variously assigned as being between 89 AD to 120 AD

Andrew:  No accurate death date given. A variety of traditions say he preached in Scythia, in Greece, in Asia Minor and Thrace.  He is reported to have been crucified at Patrae in Achaia. 

Philip:  Again, the Bible does not say when he died nor do we have accurate information.  According to tradition he preached in Phrygia, and died at Hierapolis. Update: FoxNews July 27, 2011 Tomb of the Apostle Phillip is found in Hierapolis.

Bartholomew: There is no information concerning his death, not even by tradition

Matthew: He must have lived many years as an apostle, since he was the author of the Gospel of Matthew which was written at least twenty years after the death of Christ. There is reason to believe that he stayed for fifteen years at Jerusalem, after which he went as missionary to the Persians, Parthians and Medes. There is a legend that he died a martyr in Ethiopia

Thomas: The earlier traditions, as believed in the fourth century, say he preached in Parthia or Persia, and was finally buried at Edessa. The later traditions carry him farther east.   His martyrdom whether in Persia or India, is said to have been by a lance, and is commemorated by the Latin Church on December 21 the Greek Church on October 6, and by the Indians on July 1. 

James Alpheus : We know he lived at least five years after the death of Christ because of mentions in the Bible.  According to tradition, James son of Alpheus was thrown down from the temple by the scribes and Pharisees; he was then stoned, and his brains dashed out with a fuller’s club. 

Simon the Canaanite – No information either in the Bible or by tradition.

Jude (Thaddeus) according to tradition Jude taught in Armenia, Syria and Persia where he was martyred.  Tradition tells us he was buried in Kara Kalisa in what is now Iran.

Judas Iscariot: Shortly after the death of Christ Judas killed himself. According to the Bible he hanged himself, (Matthew 27:5) at Aceldama, on the southern slope of the valley of Hinnom, near Jerusalem, and in the act he fell down a precipice and was dashed into pieces. 

GSD08

What I was referring to is after the  Holy Spirit filled Peter,he had the power never to deny that  he knew Christ again.

John died natural death at Ephesus  John 21:1-2

Andrew-Ministered in Scythia,Greese,Asia Minor.  Crewcified on a St.Andrews cross

Philip -ministered in Phyrygia.  Died a martyyr at Hierapolis, Turkey.

Bartholomew  ministered Armenia {now in Turkey &Iran.

Matthew-  Ministered in Ethiopia.        Martyred.

James the less  Mark 3:14,18   Ministered in Palestine and Egypt.   Crucified in Egypt

Jude  Ministered in Assyria and Persia {Iran}    Martyred

Simon the Zealot  ministry unknown  Crucified

Judas Iscariot No know ministry   Hangrd himsel  Matt.26:14-16

The exact way of death not known but based largely on tradition and historical writings. If these traditions have any truth in them,only one of the Apostles died a natural death;one commited suicide;and 10 suffered martyrdom,4 of them by crucifiction.

  gouda

beetree, keep sipping coffee, but keep your feigned disappointment in not being able to have an "intellectual" conversation.  You want to deal with facts, until facts are presented.  Then all of a sudden, they don't matter any more and I'm just being a mean Atheist.  Pouting and stomping your feet might work around your house, but I'd say, uh, not so much here.  You've lost this debate and the only thing you have left is insults.  Bring them on, I'm sure it drives you crazy that after all I've said, you have no idea where I fall on the faith factor scale.  And the best part is, it doesn't matter where I stand, persoanlly.  The only thing I'm doing is pointing out your weaknesses.  And you are all the ones bringing them to the forefront, not me!  The answer will always be "You lose.", it will not change,  until you have one piece of actual evidence.  Until you understand that and be happy with following your own path and allowing others the same rights, you will lose. 

E Pluribus Unum, From many, one.

GSDtravels said, "The answer will always be "You lose.", it will not change,  until you have one piece of actual evidence."...


No thats not true ..I don't need evidence, you do...

You can have your evidence ..

I'll have my faith,,

There aren't any winners or losers here..Thats silly,,

It will all come out in the wash,,,sooner or later,,,







Coram Deo...

I tried. You haven't acknowledged any back and forth that is required in a debate. You just jump to another Darwin quote. Sound familiar? LOL Have fun kicking Shtal around. It is what you are here for. Pouting is what the child prodigy.....( LOL, that one makes me really chuckle now)...does, not me. Bring Shtal crying, weeping to his knees.  Of course you had to disappear for a while. I will be kind and stop here. Phew, started to get myself going, so not worth it. 

You win, uh.. what the OT prize for ..... ?  I can't understand philosophy?  Not understanding limitations? I can't waste any more of my time on your merry-go-round. All kinds of cooking and baking to do.