LIFT THE BAN ON NERO'S PROGENY - Page 4

It is just about possible. Nero was banned shortly after the Sieger Schau as i remember.

It amazes me how some intelligent people who have proven to be sincere and honest in their quest to improve the health of the GSD breed can be so blind in regards to this issue. This should be taken as a wake-up call by the SV to start screening for elbow problems NOW. I wonder how many of the TOP placing dogs would show problems with their elbows if they were all told they needed to be checked? It’s time to stop the hypocrisy. Looking back to dogs that had problems 40 years ago is no excuse. There have been advancements in regards to screening live stock for genetic problems since the CANTO WIENERAU era. With the popularity of the internet news like this travels the world instantly. Because of this people are better educated today and are not left out of the loop as in years past. We are not fools! Stop treating us as such and insulting our intelligence! We should all be a part of the process to better the breed and bring it forward. This issue must be used to force the SV into screening elbows in all dogs before breeding. Stop making excuses and start making a difference. Stop all the B.S.......Stop being hypocrites.... Start making a difference!

I have not and will not challenge the BAN on Nero. I am appealing for his progeny, from breeders who all acted in all honesty and sincerity when they mated their bitches to Nero. Nero's progeny also have mothers, and owners, and can and are being checked for hips and elbows. Surely these checks on his progeny are much more meaningful than a BAN. If you find a bad apple in a barrel, remove it, and check the remainder, don't throw the whole lot away.

I agree with David on this one.Breeders used Nero in good faith..and with excellent results his progeny are superb.Why should they be punished. Let the breeders decide themselves as to whether they continue this line in their future breeding programs. At least they know the risks they take(if any). What about the problems we don't know about.

Realistically, what are the chances of SV reversing this decision ? Any precedents?

It is very difficult for me to avoid having a knee jerk reaction to this issue. After a cooling down period and correspondence with some knowledgeable friends who's opinion's I respect, I'm inclined to take a step back in advocating a ban on his progeny. I however feel that they should have their registration and breeding rights held in abeyance until such a time that the owners can produce satisfactory proof of the health of their elbows. I also believe that now would be a great opportunity for all of the innocent owners of his progeny, and everyone else within the community who really care, to petition the SV for drastic changes. It should be mandatory in the VERY near future that all stock be x-rayed for hips AND elbows at 1 year of age, It should also be mandatory that all active stud dogs be re-x-rayed for hips and elbows every 2 years starting at age 3. The SV has some ridiculous rules in place such as re-survey after 2 years (money making scheme), why not crack down on issues that are more important, like the future of the health of our breed. My sincere condolences to all of the owners of Nero progeny who now have to be put through all of this, lets all try to do something that will really make a difference for the future.

I have been importing SV dogs from Germany to the USA since 1982 when I was soldier stationed in that fine country. I recently started breeding(3 years ago)and was proud this spring to bring back a Nero female(Sala Von Batu). I registered the dog with the AKC with no problem. My personal diloma is I take my dogs back to Germany for all exams, X-rays,ect to ensure eligibility for breeding in Germany. The bitch is 7 months old now and her training is coming along nicely. She is BEAUTIFUL and smart. It is sad to think that now she will just be a dog in the back yard or kennnels. I called the breeder I got her from this morning and he says the ban may be partially lifted on the progeny. Is this true or is this a final ban on ALL progeny from Nero? My bitch was born 3 Feb 04, if that is relevant. Thanks.

Hunter: It was a pleasure to read your last post. SGBH: I thank you for your input, this really highlights the reality of this ban. I can only hope the SV reconsiders and comes up with an alternative.

Wake up, the progeny is already out there. There are Nero pups in the United States and many other countries. The ban was not a surprise in coming. Monies were paid for breeding to a "top" rated male. His progeny is looking very good. Irregardless of the politics, his progeny has the right to prove themselves worthy or not. But make note that any pups sold from this male in the last 9 months, the agent knew of the impending ban.....

>(Hunter, says)The SV has some ridiculous rules in place such as re-survey after 2 years (money making scheme), why not crack down on issues that are more important, like the future of the health of our breed.< Why is it ridiculous to find out if the dog still is in the same good condition and considered breeding material after two years????? Do we really need to cut further from the little that's asked to prove breeding suitability? Aside from the beauties we produce, we should remember that we SHOULD be breeding a working dog, when doing so, so why would a resurvey be a waste of time??? On the Nero issue, I think this is really a tough one...but....ONE dog does not ruin the breed (IMHO) I do not see a gain by banning the progeny from the gene pool. There are so many genetic issues that can pop up at any given time from WAY back when, so I don't think that will "save the breed from evil" I DO feel elbows should be mandatory, and while it's not a sure shot that it won't be picked up, at least we go in with some confidence that the two dogs bred are "clear". Michele PS...IF the SV lets us know exactly WHAT the operation was for, hopefully someone will post it...it's still pretty "cloudy" as to what it actually was. Good luck to all Nero progeny owners!!!