Liver and Blue German Shepherds - Page 6

LOL!  sarcasm is the venue of the powerless....   you won't be able to start an argument with me...  If you EVER want to exchange civil discourse, and discuss the issues as to why the standards should include other colors or any I believe breeding should be done on a health and temperament platform first - I'll be happy to engage you. 

Oddly, Sueincc - I think it is Gustav that posts a very similar position to mine, yet I note no derision in your response to him. 

Ergo, I can only assume you have a personal vendetta against me.  But it doesn't work.  So feel free to PM me if you would like to iron out your difficulties with me.  Otherwise, again - the boards have enough drama without the bait you're trying to cast.  :)

Because you don't know what you are talking about.  You are critisizing something you don't even understand.   You have no clue about the standard, the history of the breed, you know nothing about breed surveys, SV showing or working trials, yet you have repeatedly brushed those things aside and actually accused those who disagree with your uninformed opinions as narrow minded nazi or even prejudiced because they breed to the standard you have no respect for. 

Previously you have stated there is more to breeding than showing and titling.  Yes there is, but it sure isn't breeding your little dog because you think he is smart.  But you think that's enough so you would breed him.  You have no respect for those who are doing everything they can to preserve the integrity of the breed. 

You think the colors are pretty and people like them so they should be bred.  You think your little dog was extra smart so you wish you had bred him - even though he didn't meet the minimum standard requirements.   People like you eschew the standard to assuage their own conscious.   This is what destroys the breed. 

You have no right to call anyone ignorant since you have not studied the history of the breed or the standard yourself.  Maybe instead of posting silly opinions ad nauseum you should actually do your homework and study the breed first.

http://www.gurneysgsd.co.uk/ 

some pics of a long coat liver, blues and whites

I think Willy Wonka was interesting .

Sue,

I think I have mentoned this before.  The very first time I went to a schutzhund club, I encountered a solid liver bitch.  At  least, I know now that is what I saw.  At the time, I thought it was an Irish Setter-red gsd.  I was very impressed with the color and, more importantly, the temperament the dog displayed.  I could not understand for  couple of years why it was that the dog's owners (who had gotten rid of her) always "played dumb" when I asked about her.  I know, now.

Would I keep, train, and title a liver bitch like that, if one fell into amy hands?   God knows how that would happen, but yes, I would, assuming that the liver puppy had everything else I wanted in terms of temperament, character an working ability.   I'd name the thing "Scarlett," or "Rhett"  and drive people crazy with the "Frankly, I don't give a damn"  line.    I would also spay or neuter at six months, because, as a liver, it would not be breedable, per the standard.  Certainly, I could never hope in hell to enter it in a breed survey. (Although that might be a good way in induce a heart attack in a couple of koermeisters).   Where would I show it to get a show rating for a survey in the first place?   The best I could do, with respect to breeding, would be to take the dog onto the trial field and show what it is genetically... aside from pigment.

Ditto with a blue.  Except that I'd find a good, strong Russian name for it.

I agree.  My issue is with the people who are breeding specifically for DQ traits and advertising them to the public as if the DQ fault is highly prized and rare.  Inevitably these "breeders" never give a damn about anything but the DQ faults they are specifically breeding for, and will breed any dog regardless of what a shitter is as long as it will throw these DQ faulted pups.  Why?  Because they know anyone who is even half way knowledgable about the breed isn't going to buy from them anyway.  Their target market is the newbies who are gullible, or too lazy to do their homework, and of course, the impulse buyers.

These DQ faulted dogs can be titled, if you believe their breeders, their  dogs can "do it all", but where is even one of these so called "breeders"  Which one of these supposed "rare color breeders makes sure any dog they breed is at least titled to a schH1?  They aren't there because the breeder only cares about the DQ faults.  Please don't anyone say they are discriminated against at schutzhund clubs because that's a bunch of bull.  We see plenty of coats, dogs with maybe a faulty ear, monorchids, and other breeds at clubs but none of these so called "rare color breeders".  They can't be bothered.

 Sue,

I should have clarified.   I meant a fluke liver or blue from a litter produced by titled parents--the same type of breeder and bloodlines I would normally look to for  a puppy.    NEVER, under any circumstances would I have a puppy from any of those "off-color" breeders.  If a breeder cares nothing about the breed standard, why would I believe that they care a whit about temperament, health, character, work ability, or anything  other than "off colors"?   I wouldn't .