The real dogs - Page 3

Ok, I know this will stir up some S--t. Why do you say DDR and Czeh dogs are less drivey. I do Urban SAR and all my dogs are Czeh imports. Why? Because they have the drive and focus to work 12-16 hours in a disaster. Most of my team mates in USAR are now going to Czeh dogs for that very reason. If you are looking for a puppy, try www.Eurosportk9.com. Fantastic dogs, you just may find what you are looknig for. If yo have any furhter question please don't hestitate to email me

Think about it guys. A typical sport Schutzhund dog has bitten the sleeve thousands of times and has usually never been on a suit or a hidden sleeve. They are just dogs! Sure, you can train with defense and aggression but if your dog has never bitten anything but a padded sleeve on the arm, don't you think they may be confused!!! Especially if asked to protect only their house without their owners. I may be wrong but in my area the police like their dogs with as little bite training as possible so that they aren't equipment sure. They proof many situations so that the dogs know what to do in hopefully every scenario. With hidden sleeves, with muzzles, etc... By the way, my fearful west german show/AKC show bitch was non trustworthy with kids, failed the Bh for gun shyness yet bit the meter man at age 12 (when I was not home). I could never have predicted that she would have the nerve, let alone at 12 years old when she could barely walk. My other more stable dogs have never been put in that situation.

Czech dogs have alot of drive, my first police dog was Czech dog. He not only would bite but didn't care where he bit you. No equipment orientation, if you slipped the sleeve, he would spit it out and be right back after the man. Tracking was phenominal, he would go for ever, up and over the mountains. I have never met a Czech dog that did not have a ton of drive. The female I talk about in my previous post was a Czech dog. Sadly though every Czech dog i had developed eye problems. I live at over 10,000 foot elevation which has very high ultraviolet light levels. There is a very high incidence in alot of breeds of eye problems up here. I have had no incidence with my German Bred lines so I am sticking with them Though I really do love the Czech lines I just don't want to take the chance again. Mike

I don't agree that a "Family schH dog" will get confused. If you have the "pack" ie "family" bond with that schH trained dog and you are threatened, He is gonna bite whatever he can get!!!! No Doubts. When we are home, our dogs barely bark when someone comes to the house, However I have been told by friends who know our dogs, That they will NEVER attempt to enter our house/yard when we are not home, that the dogs Scare them, even though they know them they are truly terrified of our dogs when we are not at home. I asked one friend to do a "Test", I asked him to "charge" the fence and see if anyone "backed off" from his charge, He said wide eyed, Noone backed off in fact they all rushed the fence and he was a bit nervous that if one jump or scale the 6 ft. fence that he would have been bitten severely. He said the slobber was flyin. So I guess I am glad that my dogs have the "confidence" to "stand" they're ground even without the "pack leader" at home. And I will say I know my dogs will protect they're "family" No "roughhousing" is allowed when dogs are in the house, they get very upset and "rush" the hubby when he wrestles with kids or me, It is simply not tolerated by our dogs. They know it's "play" but they dont' like it and express themselves loudly, and even mouth the hubby in they're protest.

Something to keep in mind too.... Some K-9's are not allowed to be "family" dogs, some of them are kept in Kennel's. This very well could be the contributing factor to some of these rescent incidents of dogs "not" protecting the handler they don't see the handler as "family" or "pack" member, and only do what has been taught to them rather than a combination of teaching and "instinctual" protection behavior. Would some of you agree with this ??

I'm not sure what people are looking for in a "real dog". The sport of schutzhund has evolved to the point that fight drive has been de-emphazied (I don't know if that's a word, I'm sure flip will let me know) and control is the king. In a seminar, quite a few years ago, and I'm not sure if it was Raiser or Biehler, but one of the participants asked about making their dog a real dog so they knew it would provide personal protection. The speaker just said, "If you're looking for personal protection go buy a gun." Unless a dog is specifically trained for personal protection what do you expect. Some dogs will provide agression/intimidation in the right circumstances, but it is hard to predict. If someone is coming on your property with the intent of robbing or harming you and they know you have a dog, they probably have a weapon.

k9SAR, I was misunderstood, I meant less drivey as in less hectic prey drive. I have never owner one, and will be buying a puppy soon that is a DDR/Czech dog. I hope he does have the drives you speak of. I am hoping for a more calm, focused drive. Not that they dont have drive. I am speaking from what my research (and others) have told me. Spook101 This post is not associated with the other, if you want to hold grudges that is your business. I do agree with what you said however. The dog is their to warn, and hold the intruder long enough for me to shoot him, or long enough for us to escape. But since I have young children a dog is much safer than a gun, AND no one can wrestle your dog away from you and use it against you. That is why I have A GSD and will continue to, my wife and children may have to depend on him one day when I am not around. According to K9SAR I will get what I am looking for in the Czech lines.

I can see everyones point on this one. Everybodies dog will be a little different. I myself would like to have someone come test my adult dogs for home protection. Seriously I don't know what they would do. So far nobody has stolen anything or tried to break in my home or car. I attribute theis to just having the dogs as an alarm system. My continued search for the right dog for my needs is still ongoing. I don't think it is wrong to train with someone for personal protection. I don't think just because a dog has a Sch title it will protect you, usually it's the contrary. Reason I like PSA more than Schutzhund, they use hidden sleaves and work the dogs in aggresion. We do carjacking scenarios, double decoy work, the dog has to disengage from the decoy he is on, when the other attacks the handler. This to me, is more reallistic in how a dog needs to be tought. It's not fair to say every GSD should be born knowing this and doing it on it's own. Some dogs need a little guidence, or more, some owners need a lot. Schutzhund is just a sport. I myself don't care too much about titles, I want my dogs to work for me and fit my needs.

This is in reponse to flipfinish....I noticed you said you were in the process of purchasing a DDR/Czech dog. If you don't mind me asking, where(kennel) did you decide to make this purchase. I too am looking for such dog! Thanks

Jonah's dad I almost dont want to say, i dont want competition for a puppy. But after much research I am going to try and get one from Spartanville Shepherds. They have 2 litters upcoming 1 from Puck V Grafental and one with Bax Ayolla (sp?). Check them out at www.spartanville.com under planned litters. I have spoken to the breeder a few times and she is extremely knowledgeable, very nice, and represents what she has very honestly. I have also heard similar good things from people on this post as well. I would not hesitate to call her and talk to her, she is wonderful. She will tell you the difference in the litters. Let me know how it goes! Best wishes.