Personal Protection Dog Not Sport Dog - Page 5

BW, Your own argument applies, not a test tube. It would be easy to supply another picture of many other depts with few gsd. High level competitors and people wanting to train a sport almost never start with east line so I would guess we dont overlap with many of the same people but again thats in almost every conversation of every person who is looking for a working class dog I have ever had. The agenda idea is pretty weak, I get it but at the end of the day someones agenda does not change mostly everyones opinion in the working class dog field.

No anecdotes from me ...

I started with my first own dog in 1978 ( had been in various clubs since early childhood ), I saw a lot of crap, and cause I wasn´t allowed to own a second dog ( still a teenager ) I trained a lot of crap for free, too.

During the early eighties I tended to drive with a broker through the whole country, looking for American police prospects ( I was eager to learn as much as possible, no matter how ). We saw a lot of dogs, but only around 10% of the offered dogs were suitable at all...( people knew what we were looking for ! ). I saw a LOT of sh..!

I guess right now in Germany 10% of the police dogs are German Shepherd dogs, 80% Malinois or Malinois crosses, 10% other breeds ( scent dogs ) - once again, it´s a guess, there are no official numbers....

Maybe the Malinois really is the better dog, why not? There were no Malinois around in the eighties...

But, please don´t forget:

German Shepherd dogs are expensive, police doesn´t pay much ( a really good green dog for around € 1.500, that´s a dog trained to bite )
Americans ( private owners as a whole ) pay much better ( $ 3 - 6000 for a "prospect", guess where the dogs are sold to ...)
German police is allowed to give a dog back, in case it doesn´t work like expected ( no owner trying to sell a dog wants this...)

About the Malinois: They became the policedog no1, a lot of them do have over the top prey drive, they "forget" to think, but during the same time people complain about "our" breed and that the "modern" GSDs became prey monsters...
Doesn´t fit, doesn´t it?

 

Susie…people constantly gloss over the fact that police departments and military are looking for the crazy prey of a malinois, trying their hardest to point out the lack of “old school GSD” in working venues, and then bashing the “new school GSD” for being way too heavy in prey and that it’s the wrong way to go if we want those dogs to be capable of anything but high level sport work. I’m fairly certain that argument is only used by people that realize the majority of the internet can’t really put those things together and realize how hypocritical people are being.

I said many PD in Germany, from that we get a response " that not all PD in Germany", nobody SAID all LE in Germany used Mals, but the fact that the home of the GS where ALL breeding dogs have Sch titles, I find it hard to believe price is reason to move away from GS. 

It really makes no difference what we think, reality is all that counts🙈

Bw, you have brought sanity to insanity.

I noticed people say they don't want a lot of prey drive in a dog, but when they see a dog work that they rave about, it's a dog with 'a lot of prey drive'...like it's cool to want 'old fashioned' low prey drive dogs....

High prey drive dogs are better and lots more fun to train. IMO.

bavarian wagon is right, I posted accurate numbers and facts before, but people dont like facts

fact is that german police pays about half the money american police is paying for a good dog, and good GSD are more expensive than malinois, also due to huge demand from private sector, where demand for malinois next to working job is about ZERO

also bavarian wagon is right, about new York police, I visited their new trainingfacility about a year ago brought some dogs (all GSD) and they told me they prefer GSD and will take a malinois of a good stable non nervous dog comes up but 95 % is german shepherd

australian police, were dogs from my breedingprogram go will take ONLY GSD, and there are many many more departments that DONT WANT malinois

another FACT I can give you is that one of the biggest USA vendors contacted me recently because they CANNOT find good malinois in holland and belgium and are willing to pay more for good dual purpose malinois, as some clients ,,by personal preference " prefer malinois

maybe that says something about the numbers of malinois send out to be policedogs worldwide

Im shipping out a good amount of dogs this week for US borderpatrol andagain, majority is german shepherds

but again, these are only facts,

@gustav, price and personal preference, I sold two dogs to germany last week and one today, all german shepherds

lower price and lower quality level than USA takes

these are now in germany

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You can't beat facts with a stick. Great post, duke.

So, with all the GS in Germany, I am led to believe that expense is primary reason that some LE have moved to Mals? Okay! It has little to do with majority of GS wont pass requirements, thus making limited amount more expensive? Lol...Okay I'm glad I learned something today!