Sit means Sit or Wait & Stay - Page 2

Sue
 Has said it perfectly in her last post, If you give a command twice you can see the points being deducted as soon as you open your mouth to give the command again
Steve1

Thanks Sueincc for clarifying, it appears very similar then, except that rather than saying "Sit" (when the Steward calls for "last command"), I just say "Stay" - wanting a relaxed confident sit or down.  Then only the "Wait" - for the dog ready to move.  So similar to just commanding "Sit", I do prefer just the one command of Stay or Wait to indicate further information for the dog to think about.

Thanks for sharing.


Regards,
Vixen

The only time i do not use the word sit is when the Dog is on a Down and i move to its side I then tell the dog to Foot, and she comes up to the sitting postition at my leg, I wait a few seconds then give the command again to move forwards, If i am going to do  the Sit excersise then i walk on then i tell the dog to sit which it does
Steve1

Stay is implied in all my commands, if I give you one I expect you to do it until I release you.  I use wait like Jeff does if my dog is off leash and he is not in a fusz and he gets ahead of me I say wait and he knows that he can move around sniff but he can't go any further until I get there. If I want them to freeze instantly while moving or doing something I use blieb. 

It all depends on what you want to do with the Dog regards work. if you are doing ScH then you use ONE word only as Sue has already said. sit means SIT and that applies until you give the Dog a sign to come up from the sit, Down means Down for as long as you want the dog to stay Down. No other words are used with the SIT or DOWN Commands. There is no need to use the word STAY or any other word with sit or down. the dog is already been told to sit or down so it should do as it is told with the single word.
For instance i am putting the dog on a Long Down for around 10 minutes whist another is working on the field, i take the dog over to the spot i stop she sits without command. then i give her the single word i use to Down, she downs i walk away some 15 yards and stand behind a Blind, i can keep my eye on the dog but she cannot see me thats the way we use single words
Steve1

For me and my dogs who do not compete, Stay means stay put, no matter where, or what position my dog may be in at that moment, no matter what else is going on.
Yes they are expected to stay in the sit, or down position as well, goes without saying, but for us stay has its own meaning.

I also use commands, come and go that have different meanings.
There are countless words and phrases my dogs understand that are not commands.

And then there is the reading of the mind, things the dogs know without and sign, glance, or word spoken, no behavior to give away my thoughts.

One is better at this than the other two but they do feed off each others reactions and are usually together at these moments.

It is a joy to have a truly intelligent dog.
I often let them think for themselves which would not go over well in a competition but it's something I like to see in my dogs.

Moons.

No' there is a world of difference to Competition work than the training of just good well behaved Dogs around the family or taking out for walks. Commands are a basically a one word command
and it is a completely different world of Obedience.
It is more precision work where the dogs and handlers lose points, In the world of ScH Obedience is everything without it the dog cannot win or get high scores. in that phase or Protection or even tracking so the dog has to be under control in everything so for me Obed is the be all and end all of the ScH sport and that is what i am working on at the moment with the Pup recall and even basic footing, We now do 10 steps off leash with him looking up at my face and in the correct postition at my left leg, this will not increase at all for some time and i work him against a wall, plenty of play inbetween short bouts of work in a small area.
Steve1 

only  here in the us  people  use  the second comand  stay or wait - in the schutzhund world
nobody  use this.

there is no reason  anyway  they dog  in sit or down  is not  able to do anything he has to
wait for  a second command.

whatever  i tell him/her.

And if your dog breaks the wait or stay command?  What do you do?  My girl keeps pushing and pushing me;  now I am pissed as she is NOT listening and taking me serious.  Any recommendations?

Nans,

For me, if my dogs are heavy obedience than I give a correction and put them in the Poston/command three CORRECT  times in succession. Not sure if your girl (didn't reread the posts) is a pup or adult? But my instances were mostly done/taken care of in puppy hood. But even now years later if something isn't "perfect" out comes the leash and it's classroom time!

Just yesterday, I had the whole gang in class due to hunting season getting ready to start. This will be the youngster's first hunting season.