Confused...Working Line Detection - Page 2

Obviously you're not getting the point. Do you want me to tell you every dogs name that is working line? Your example of the two people is the best. I may not know them, but odds are I know their parents or grandparents. You can't go by titles either. Both could have the same titles. If you see BSP, that is pretty much a giveaway. I'm not trying to be a prick. YOU state that I don't want to teach. How would I be teaching if I translated every pedigree for you. yOU have to gain the knowledge. I can't teach you months worth of information in a post. To prove my point, you could post dog names and I'm sure others on here could tell you what lines they are, from doing their own research. I am, in fact, teaching you to not be so lazy . Do you not like to learn? Bet you're one of dem young whipper-snappers that was raised with high speed everything and expects everything to be at your fingertips.

Brian Church's Kenichi vom Caloway 
Top half American show lines or just American breed : How do I know this stupid names like Sea Biscuit or Possums Rice
Bottom half of pedigree : Working line, how do I know this Kennel names color sable blacks and Sch. titles
 
This is what I did when I started I picked 1 dog my (favorite dog) and started from there. Research that one dog and all it's ancestors then look at progeny and then siblings. Then you go from there and keep researching "what" it is you like about those lines, that dog, it's off spring, maybe it's litter mates off spring. You will continue to see the same kennel names come up and you will start to recognize them.

Don't let people discourage you EVERYONE started at some point !!! It is a process and takes years of research but YOU have taken the first step and that is great, I am glad you don't want to make any more mistakes and are willing to learn. That is what the breed needs !!!

Kuma Church Von Sehr Gut Wesen 
Top half pedigree: Half working lines(bottom half)  half show lines (top half)
Bottom half pedigree : Show lines

Hope this helps

 

I got a much better idea.....dont worry Chaz....Leerburg wouldnt help me out any either. Only some people can be total pricks. All you told me to bbrgin with was..." I know what I know By years of experience"....well no shit.
Thanks every one who was helpful!!

Listen, sparky. I'm trying to help you and I told you numerous times how I know. Now if you have some devise that can transfer knowledge from one brain to another, we're in business. Otherwise, you need to get out there and do the same as anyone else. looking at color will give you a good idea, but it isn't foolproof. That's like saying every white guy golfs, every Asian is a martial arts expert, or every woman can cook.

I think we can safely say MOST West German Showlines are black and red ( sometimes called brown, sometimes tan but they strive for the saddle back black and red!) Titled in SchH most commonly.

West German Workinglines are most often Sable, Black and sometimes Black/tan or Bi coloured.  DDR dogs (East German) are often black and sable and Black/tan and Bi coloured.  They are often titled in SchH or IPO or ZVV etc.

Your dogs have a mixture of all three PLUS the sire is half American Showline. (which is easily spotted by the goofy names and usually long narrow heads and extreme angulation in the rear- titles incl. CDX  Ch ). 

The showllines are usually bigger and more angulated than the workinglines, because, like someone said, their focus in on trotting around a showring, not jumping over six foot walls.

You may produce some very nice dogs, the only thing is, with mixing so many lines that focus on so many different aspects of the GSD, it is going to be a real crap shoot as to what your pups will turn out like, in structure and temperament.

As for telling the difference between the DDR dogs and the West German workingline, that just takes time learning the kennel names.  DDR is often written on a pedigree, which helps a little.

:)

lol!

YeAh!!! I'm not the only newbe Chaz picks on ...err I mean.. Teaches in a direct mannor ;) I am still a little confused with lines as well. Great advice to look at the last part of the name. Google that kennel and see what pops up. The show dogs have more of an arch in the back where as wl have more strait to slightly angled. Another thing to look at is all the titles. This website will tell you what all the abreviations mean. Talk to the breeders too. They "should" know their own blood lines. http://www.justfurkids.com/dog_titles.html This helped me out since it lists just about everything :). Have fun puppy picking!

A American line breeder  told me that he was trying to improve on his line by bringing the german line into his program and after few breeding he relized that not ony he did not improve the American line he ruined the German line .