Dog Turns On Owner - Page 5

To all of you who are reading this and wondering what it is all about: D.H. appears to be of the opinion that one should breed to a GSD with a Zuchtwert 135, and use a dog with an excellent Zuchtwert of 65 for the mating. Knowing that the puppies will be loaded more or less with HD because they have a parent with a Zuchtwert of 135, we also know that future quartely updates will raise the Zuchtwert of 100 for each puppy to a value which renders each puppy useless for breeding. The GSD with the Zuchtwert of 65 will have his/her Zuchtwert raised passed the allowable breeding limits in future months, a year to come. Litter can be expected to be dysplastic and I seriously question the fact that the litter will even be registered by the SV. Kirschental is down to an excellent level on the Zuchtwert. How about D.H. getting a short information session from Marion.

D.H., I read your post again on the Zuchtwert issue. Don't mind me asking the question: Are you an importer? Or are you dodging the issue of inherited hip dystplasia? Or, you never owned a dog with a Zuchtwert? I suggest to all of you to familiarize yourself with the Zuchtwert, on how the Zuchtwert of an individual dog was brought forward, and how it was being back dated from 1999 back to as far as we are at the present time. This information will not come through this forum. You need to go to a German source.

RE: Handler Aggression When I suggested in an earlier post to the new owner – if there will be a new owner - to keep a daily diary on the dog, I was under the impression that the dog was in fact handler aggressive. A mere growling dog like D.H. addresses above is an insecure dog. I have never owned one and wouldn’t know the first thing about it. D.H. states correctly that the down position is a submissive position. Other than that I do not consider a growling dog to be a handler aggressive dog. The true handler aggressive dog does not growl, he just targets the handler. This dog may be very sociable, getting along with children, other people, especially persons who are afraid of him, and will never show the least bit of the behavior he shows towards his handler. On such a true handler aggressive dog, the incidents of handler aggression are usually triggered by something other than the handler, but, the aggression after it has been triggered is first directed towards the handler. In other words, the dog targets the handler first. The handler/owner must learn to recognize the onset of this handler aggression and must succeed in diverting the aggression before it happens. Further more the owner/handler must space the incidents, must extend the time period between incidents as long as possible until the dog is out of it. And, this does not come about overnight.

Uvar, the fact that you are German and don't even understand the SV ZW system is very sad. For starters, do not put words in my mouth. I used that as an example as you are obivously not capable to understand the basic premise of the ZW system. A pup with a ZW of 100 is certainly not useless. 100 is the breed average after all for all GSD. A pup out of such a combination that will a-stamp a1 will actually have less than 100 if the parents value have not changed. A pup that will end up with a2 will go above 100 but can go down in its lifetime. And as already described the dog with ZW of 65 WILL NOT HAVE ITS ZW AFFECTED AT ALL JUST BECAUSE IT IS BRED! Every additional discussion on the issue is pointless because we are already talking in circles. If you want to discuss anything further, make your eMail addy public.

To H.D. Correct, every further discussion is pointless. Talk to Marion and have her set you straight on the Zuchtwert. May be a name like Kirschental - although I don't want to recommend they even tackle some of that wisdom - will succeed in educating a person so eager to provide the information you are sending into this forum. And to all others who now may be totally confused, please inform yourself if you are interested and get the information from a German source. It may not be posted anymore on the internet, although it was back in 1999 posted on the old S.V. site

Following the posts by D.H., I just realized what causes these posts to distort and divert the correct information on the Zuchtwert. Dogs/puppies with a high Zuchtwert are being exported from Germany to USA. Anything from Zuchtwert 100 and up has no place within the goals of good German breeders anymore. Zuchtwert 100 is the official norm but at the same time is the upper limit. A small rise above will be tolerated, but is difficult to handle. Therefore, when the puppies from a litter receive Zuchtwert 100 or worse, they could show up on our continent in the hands of importers. But when a dog with Zuchtwert 135 is being sold by an importer, you need to know that no matter what stamp this dog has, it will produce dysplastic puppies. The Zuchtwert is based on the values in the breeding line, not just two or three generations, many more generations make up the Zuchtwert. Having the hips of a dog with a Zuchtwert 135 cleared by OFA serves no purpose. The dog carries hip dysplasia and must never be bred. Please note that the Zuchtwert is a variable figure and is NOT listed on the export pedigree/registration like some people believe. The Zuchtwertliste is accessible to everybody on the SV website. You need to punch in the foreign registration number of your dog to find the current Zuchtwert value. Zuchtwerte are updated 4 times per year, every three months.

You are such an idiot. I never said you absolutely have to breed such a dog, this was hypothetically speaking, as a reaction to your previously posted garbage. On top of not being able to understand German you obviously also have issues with English. To correct you yet again on your latest valuable input: just enter the dogs SZ number in the SV ZW search, or the dogs kennel name, or the dogs first name - if it has a passing a-stamp it will come up. The SV will NOT list foreign registration numbers in their ZW database. You know sh*t, and your input is dangerous to the people who seek facts they can use, will help them and they can rely on. Why do I even bother, you are such a waste of time...

Thank you for your compliments D.H. Correction to your post: When a person living on the American continent receives a pedigree/registration with his/her imported dog, then the registration number in the SV pedigre is being called the foreign registration number, and that is the number which you can use to extract the Zuchtwert from the current Zuchtwertliste on the S.V. website.

Ahhh, finally you have outed yourself, second time around. Of course when you live outside of Germany then the SZ number is a foreign registration number - to you. For the SV, the SV enthusiast all over the world and any German the SZ number stays their regular registration number, always. Even after you completed your AKC foreign registration. See, THAT is the foreign registration, just as the description says, not the SZ number. Also, had you actually been such a long term expert of the GSD then you would refer to Karl instead of Marion, chuckle, very big chuckle.

To D.H. Correction: Karl Fuller retired long time ago. Marion always did the breeding, and still does. You haven't answered my question: Are you an importer?