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by Jenni78 on 18 June 2018 - 17:06

Hemangio is one I meant to mention next to CE. Both waaaaay too common reasons we lose this breed.
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by Western Rider on 18 June 2018 - 17:06

In fifty years of GSD's I have seen one who showed symptoms after retirement so was tested when the test first came out and tested "at risk" upon death did test positive.  

She had had a good breeding career and not one of her pups has ever tested or had DM 


by joanro on 18 June 2018 - 17:06

Hemangiosarcoma is not specific to this breed, it is across the board in all breeds. I have had huskies, Irish terrier, fox terrier, gsd die from hamgiosarcoma over four decades and in many different regions of the country, so not specific to an area's water, food, terrain, ect. It is in Canis Familiaris, period.
I have come across people all over the USA who have shared their experience losing pets to this common ca.

At the same time, I have never met anyone who had a dog with dm.

by davisgsds on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

Reply to Jenni78. Gensol test result word for word:
Test Score "C", Recessive-At Risk/Affected, Dominant-At Risk Affected. It's pretty straight forward

by joanro on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

I'd ask them how they made a diagnosis for " affected". If they did not invent a way to diagnose dm while the animal is still alive, then safe to say they are giving false information.

by davisgsds on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

I'm seriously considering retesting with another company. Any thoughts? I'm a hobby breeder that has enjoyed the companionship and training GSD's. Health issues has caused me to give up training. I have spent a lot of time, energy and resources establishing a healthy and stable breeding foundation. 2 dams 1 sire and never before had any serious health issues. I have had many inquiries as to wether I've had my dogs tested for DM, so I just tested my 2 females which are clean/normal and the sire which I've only had for 2 months and his test result is At Risk/Affected. I must say it's created some anxiety. I'm also beginning to wonder if the whole DM thing isn't being blown out of proportion. 

by duke1965 on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

its not blown out of proportion, there are definately dogs that develope DM and not only at older age, , if breeders keep breeding non tested or B and C to each other, that is asking for problems
DM testing is cheap and easy, so why not do it,

by joanro on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

It's a fraud. See what I posted about wire haired fox terriers...about 98% of the breed test " at risk" , yet no case of dm ever reported in the breed. So how in the heck can the " test" be taken seriously?
I quit testing years ago after doing research on the DNA testing...it is used for getting money.

by joanro on 18 June 2018 - 18:06

Duke, no one says there is not dm. The DNA test is bogus...it does not predict anything. My dogs have never had dm, not the ones I tested, nor any not tested. It is a crok. The only way it can be diagnosed is postmortem.
DNA test does not diagnose the disease, and it cannot ever be eliminated by breeding so called clear to so called clear. Even OF A will not accept beyond the first generation of so called clear to so called clear as being clear....You know why they won't? Because they claim that the gene marker is supposedly subject to mutating! So there fore second generation of ' clear' to ' clear' MUST be DNA tested! That makes this balongna of only breeding clear to clear( or even clear to carrier) in order to create a dm free breed is bogus.
The labs claiming the gene marker mutates so your second generation from two " clear" parents still must be DNA tested is to keep the money train on the rails. Otherwise, the labs will loose out on a big cash flow. Same thing why cancer will never be cured and eliminated...too many gajillion bucks being made off the disease.

by duke1965 on 18 June 2018 - 19:06

joan, the dogs we know about that developed DM all come from b and c breedings, dont know of any case coming from free dogs, the people that where advocating the hardest against testing in europe turned out to have the dogs that gave the problems

but be my guest, dont test and defend it with all you can

O and I am testing my second generation out of clear breedings, and surprizingly, they come up clear Wink Smile

Also we have seen DNA testing of various problems in the past showing irregularities, afterwards mostly proven to be caused by human cheating

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