1st Muzzle session - Page 3

@GSD - Losing track re vids we exchanged via PM - appologies. (must have been your older bitch in the muzzle re the one I am getting mixed up with?)

I personally think that for most dogs - muzzle work is initially frustrating enough without building up additional.

Though further down the line - it is a very useful tool.

However as always - there is more than one way to skin a cat.

@Suzie - yes discussion is good, ESPECIALLY when input is given from those who have practical experience. But it can also be a bit of a bind when those with none, try and advise surprisingly loudly - on something they have never done.

Remember Suzie, muzzle work is connected to civil training / proofing.

The word civil is the word you discussed / argued over -  dozens of posts and still don't get.

Definitely best to grasp the absolute basics, including terminology and how to hold a lead - before trying to inpart your non existent civil training experiences on to others lol.

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Gee

Gee - I think the leash handling was spot-on for the intent of this session. Tight when needed to ensure a desired hit and targeting, then slack when dog needed to make good contact and ground fight. This is exactly how I was taught to do muzzle work, for both handler and decoy roles, from very knowledgeable and talented police K9 handlers/trainers.

Koots - Nowt wrong with the lead work at all.
Very good first session, especially the ground work.
My observation is purely - with the dog being encouraged to punch the decoy, in future sessions give the dog a bit more slack. (As they will do)
Appreciate this is very early on re muzzle work for this bitch, and there is only so much you want to achieve in the first session - and she ticked all those boxes..

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Gee

Nah, I have a decent memory and my selection is great because you wrote what you said and not me and for pages you called it training in progress, after pages of members telling you this was poor training you changed your description of it testing. You can keep this going for pages if you like but I know what I have read as do all members know what you wrote. I didn't say what it was, you did. So, lets let this thread go back to what it was and let the members decide exactly what you said and when you said it. When you put stuff out there for the world to read it gets hard to backtrack and change what was said. I am done here and no matter how many times you use my name, I will not be responding to you further on this thread. I know what I read because I have reread the thread yesterday.

Gee, I trained ( and titled ) dogs ( SchH and civil ) 17 years before you ever owned a German Shepherd Dog ( 1995 ).

In case I´d behave like you ( no video = no proof ), I´d say you are a rookie, a greenhorn. Why?
I am only able to find videos from 2013 on, what happened before? Nothing? You know, according to your kind of thinking, there is no proof...

Videos of one male, not titled, not shown, not bred by yourself ( I hope he was at least raised by yourself ), one female, bred out of bought dogs, advertisements on pages like pets4homes or dogsandpuppies, 3 litters out of untitled dogs, at least one of the litters without pedigrees, you yourself are claiming to breed "exceptional family pets" - that´s not much proof for someone who is asking others for "proof" on any other occasion, "lol".

You don´t like my input - don´t read my posts, but stop to insult me. Enough is enough.

Very well put, Susie. You have probably forgotten more about the GSD and training than some people will ever know. The fact you are immersed in schutzhund culture and have so many resources for training makes me envious, lol.

 

With regard to the vid posted by OP, I consider it a textbook example of proper muzzle introductory training.   

 

The only thing I am curious about though GSDfan, is how did you start the targeting of upper body during muzzle work with this dog?   That is not evident in the vid but it is obvious it was done, so for the people learning it would be nice if you would explain that.

@Suzie - I might be a rookie who has only been training for twenty years lol, however I CAN and HAVE demonstrated my own dogs and training. (Dogs I have raised from babies to maturity) .

None of my dogs are titled - but then I am crystal clear in what they are capable off - they are all genuine family protectors trained by me, to a decent standard, and whose protection capabilities - are in a different league to what your own titled dogs are capable off or once again prove me wrong?

Come back when you can show your own dog training civil.

A for instance  - try sending on a verbal, a muzzled dog over at least a hundred yards and over a fence, at a decoy who aint dancing or wearing any equipment, then execute an instant recall.

You can't  therefore stick with flashing a sleeve at a dog and pretending that constitutes protection, or just prove me wrong?

Basically - for someone who has apparently trained civil for decades, and yet has zero proof, call me old fashioned but that instills no confidence, and more to the point must be just about impossible to boot. Or put another way, why would anyone buy a pup with the intent of civil training, from this incredibly experienced and wise civil trainer, when they cant show ANYONE,  ANY of there past / present dogs doing ANYTHING remotely civil? 

Think we will find those resources Koots mentions are focused solely on titling and not civil dogs or there training. 

@Koots, a good Shepherd with decent drives, and without  ANY previous targeting training, can and will target high - very first time, it's not unusual in the slightest.
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Gee

You don´t even understand what I am saying.
Have a nice day

 

@ Koots this is what I see @ 0.09 sec/0.30 sec/0,50 sec  decoy movement the target is the arm, maybe this dog s first was
work out on the sleeve /or suit target the arm  ??

@ Gee have a good point a dog with good natural high drives will easy go high target.

my limited knowledge.

 

Take the back and forward bitchin' to PM's and keep this thread clear of it thanks. Please just for once can we put our differences to one side and have a thread that is an interesting read for all.