Changing AKC Registere Name - Page 7

That being said...you come across like you know me. 
I have no idea who you are...
You have commented on my dogs...
So lets start by being on a fair playing field...so we won't have to address who is really the fear biting min pin here. 
You know who I am....
So who are you Mystere?

I'm not being defensive at all about my breeding, and I don't try to dictate what others wish to do with their breedings. This is a free country...we all have the right to do as we choose.  I may not agree with their breeding practices, or follow them myself, but I don't get on public forums bashing them for what they have or have not done in their breeding programs.   

This thread wasn't about breeding...it's about changing a dog's name. 
I don't care that you changed your dog's name.
I care that it was ALLowed to be changed.

This name change policy which is currently allowed by AKC leads to all kinds of potential problems down the road.  Time and again it has been shown that AKC has problems with internal record keeping...When mistakes are made by them, it's simply easier for them to "fix" the problem by "doctoring" the problem, not by correcting it. 
For us as breeders, this is a bookkeeping nightmare when our pups are not properly processed into the system by AKC.
Now, For them to be soliciting people to change their dog's name, which is what they did to me, when there is no need to do so, is asking for alot of tracking problems with pedigrees in the future.  DNA tests that have been done on a dog with a particular name...DM tests, Cerf tests, Thyroid tests, Hip results, genetic heredity issues that may now not be known about due to a name change being done.  Unless the owner of the dog knows of all the places the originally named dog had been entered into, for whatever reason, and goes back to reflect these test to the newly named dog, these additional organizations do not "talk to one another" or share info via computer.. and there will be no updating done to reflect any of this to the newly named dog. 

Interesting that you think this is none of my business. 

You put it out there mystere for us all to look at...

I breed and register dogs...so this topic is very much my business..

Czech DDR Lover wrote:

For them to be soliciting people to change their dog's name, which is what they did to me, when there is no need to do so, is asking for alot of tracking problems with pedigrees in the future.  DNA tests that have been done on a dog with a particular name...DM tests, Cerf tests, Thyroid tests, Hip results, genetic heredity issues that may now not be known about due to a name change being done

Frankly, anywho who is seriously and justifiably (as opposed to just idle interest) tracking a pedigree would use the animal's registration number, since there are instances where two different dogs were registered with the same name.  Granted, someone looking out of idle curiosity probably won't have the registration number, but where it is written that idle curiosity must be accomodated? All of the tests you cite above require the registration number be submitted in addition to the dog's registered name--so there should be no issue tracking down the results for those tests. 

I wasn't thrilled to learn that the AKC had decided to facilitate name changing on dogs that were already registered, but that's just because I don't like change done strictly to generate extraneous income.  Once the policy was established, however, I see no reason why someone shouldn't take advantage of it if they so choose, for whatever their reasons may be. I can think of several circumstances wherein I would be inclined to take advantage of this option were I to find myself in that situation--for example, there's a certain nicely-bred highlines male GSD, from what turned out to be a very disreputable breeder, whose owner went to the effort and expense of having the dog professionally trained and trialed in order to obtain a somewhat scarce yet very respected and desirable title on that dog.  The dog even went on and travelled to Germany to trial for other titles after obtaining the scarce title here in the US, and was shown in the BSZS. The breeder of this dog really deserves NO credit for the dog's accomplishment--said breeder merely lucked out--yet there's the breeder's kennel name hanging off this dog, putting a positive spin on the name of someone who has lied to buyers, scammed people out of their money, disappeared when questions started being asked, and was found to be neglecting the dogs in their care.  Given what the breeder turned out to be, if this were MY dog (and boy, do I wish he were...) I'd whip that kennel name off of him as fast as possible, now that it's permitted.   

If breeders are opposed to the name change option all they have to do is individually register their pups themselves in their name before transfering the puppy to the new owner.  In those cases, the new owner needs the signature of the breeder to change the name. 

Yes, it will cost you an additional 20 bucks or so that you might believe you should not have to pay but that is just the way it currently is.  I intend to do this on the litter that I am having this year.

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/ADCG01.pdf 

See page 2 of the pdf for the rules regardign the name change.

Just my thoughts on the subject :-)

In over 30 years of researching pedigrees, I have never before seen the AKC allow 2 dogs to have the exact same name in the same breed category.

I'd love to see an example, if you know of one..

I also had an import bitch whose SV number was on her OFA paperwork, and not her AKC number.
I did eventually change it to match,  but only years after she was bred.

While I can see the frustration that one would experience in taking a really nice dog from a crappy kennel and taking that dog to near olympic status, if name-changing is allowed simply "because", then the opposite can, and certainly will, occur....

EX:  Really, really, NICE dog from vom highscore kennel winds up (thorough no fault of the kennel) in the hands of the dreaded coccidiahaus kennel....

The coccidiahaus kennel is sleazy anyways, and changes the dog's name, and now sells it to vom greathandler kennels, and they take the dog all the way to BSP and win it.

History gets re-written in the negative now.
Hence my reference to ANIMAL FARM.

As to the theory that AKC will not change names based on the breeder registering the whole litter themselves, think again...
I did exactly that, and a dog from my line now bears a name resembling an ad for utility vehicles, blue jeans, and chewing tobacco...

So I guess the point of my becoming involved in this entire discussion, is to kind of point out the fact that AKC, of lately, anyway, has not really been able to keep up with itself.. and doesn't do a very great job of following its own rules.

I am not against an owner wanting to call their dog by a certain name... I am (well, was) even willing to work with a new owner on that..  but it seems glaringly obvious that this name changing process needs a few more checks and balances.. and perhaps some really good new rules.

 

I am not surprised by the AKC's handling of this. What I am surprised by is that there are those posting on this thread who think they will be able to get the AKC to do the right thing. The AKC is a whore. Whores fuck for money.

Mystere wrote: "If breeders are as concerned as you appear to be that the kennel names (and that is, after all, apparently all you really care about) are not changed, then it is very simple:  register the puppies (not just the litter)."

Isn't that essentially what happens when a litter is registered with an FCI registering body (in this case the SV)? Does not the breeder pay a fee to have each individual puppy assigned an identifying tattoo associated with their (the puppy's) name? The name itself provides information regarding the individual puppy by noting  the kennel of origin and also by alphabet letter beginning the puppy's name a clue as to how many litters the breeder has bred. 
What you are proposing to do is to revise history. Revising your dogs pink papers says that you want her heritage, but just some of it. The system does not, or at least should not, work that way. Although now that I think of it, didn't ole Max change Horand's name. HAR HAR! There's a precedent for you Attorney-NC for the research.
I really don't think the SV is going to go along with this. But never fear, you still have the option of sending AKC another $19 and getting it changed back.

So now that you have turned me into Nosey Rosey, I just have to know who pissed you off enough to do this. This isn't one of those Bartmess dogs, is it? 

Denwolf,

I am sorry I must have missed that.  You registered the litter and than registered each individual puppy in your name before transferring the papers to the new owner and the AKC changed the name of one of the pups without your signature?  I would be livid too.

I did register the litter... twice, actually...
The first batch of litter paperwork disappeared, check and all...
The second batch I had to do online, and THEN registered each pup in my name, WITH my AKC registered kennel name on EACH pup.

That in itself was supposed to keep changes from happening..

Some months after sending the buyer the registration slips, the now second owner contacts me about name-changing.. which is when I discovered that the original buyer mixed up the slips.

Then there was forgery involved... and I discovered THAT only because of my obsessed-attention-to-detail-disorder of following through with paperwork....

It was when I contacted them about my "discovery" that I got the AKC-2-step.. big time...

End result: name changed to one I did NOT agree to, but,  GEE, they DID tag back on my kennel name...(but only after filling in more papers than when I bought my house).

Oh, and did I mention that two of the males in the litter now have switched identities....

(Kinda reminds me of Gattica....) 


SO... I guess my advice to all of those other crazy-obsessed-attention-to-detail- breeders out there who, like myself, really DO care where their puppies go and want to do all of the right things to ensure that it stays that way,  my advice to you is:

Check your litter numbers online from time to time and make sure that your limited registration pups STAY limited....
Check that your best pups sold on full registration actually STAY named the way they should be..


In lieu of that, please write to the AKC and tell them how you feel about the whole policy..

Live and learn....

I will be following up with another letter...  this whole thing is just too outrageous to not address one more time...

This is but one instance that confirms what I am talking about...information from one organization will not be shared with another when there are no matchups with Dog's names...regardless of their AKC numbers.

CERF and the OFA

To help breeders locate important screening information with less effort, the Canine Eye Registry Foundation (CERF) has graciously agreed to allow the OFA to display some of its data. In order for CERF results to appear on the OFA site each dog must have:

1. An existing OFA record
2. A current CERF exam
3.  Identical registration name and number information registered with each organization (in order to establish the database links).