Changing AKC Registere Name - Page 5

M: "1.  Absolutely NOT calling GSDNewbie and asshole.  Absolutely NOT!"

S: So now you are calling her a miscreant? Hows about not calling anyone any names - that way there won't be any confusion at all.

M: "2. This involves a SPAYED bitch, so hardly impacting the breed in any manner."

S: I beg to differ. The ability to change a dog's name on their original paperwork GREATLY impacts the integrity of said paperwork and casts a shadow on the integrity of the system that would allow it. And unless you are saying that the AKC used the fact that your dog is spayed as a qualifier to issue the name change, her reproductive status is immaterial to this issue.
M: "Frankly, you are revealing more of yourself than you probably want to, but splatter away.   "

S: I'm sorry. I don't know what you are talking about.

M: "You feel "compelled" to meddle in what others do with their dogs, huh?"    

S: I feel compelled to point out to whom it may concern this issue. It is a shame that you cannot see past personal agenda repercussions. 
 
M: "3. As for my motives in making the change, "theories" that it is to prove a point or see how far it could go are wrong.  I have my personal reasons for making the change. Period.  No need to discuss or, as usually happens here, debate, those reasons with anyone--particularly as IT IS DONE."

S: Yes, now you have the dog formerly-known-as-the-artist-named-prince (or princess). Way to go. Too bad you can't see past your own bad self.

I guess I get to be the asshole miscreant.

You need to understand when you are being teased and when someone is really calling you out. The AKC needs to be called out, as how many trial secretaries are going to check to see if a dog is listed under another name ? It was not about you, you just happened to be the one that brought it to my attention. 

The point that was brought out by you was that you were able to change your adult dogs name, including the kennel name. I don't think that you had some evil intention, but look at the many possibilities that are now available to someone with less than perfect morals and ethics. Not that we have ever seen that in the dog world. (that was a joke)

If you are ever in Texas, please feel free to pm me and you can come and see my horrible training, and we can go eat some barbque. There is a little place in Luling that is retarded delicious. I do not like barbque, that is how retarded delicious it is. Then maybe you can make a better judgement on this miscreant. 

It never occurred to me to change a dogs name on paper.

"Personal agenda "? Of course it is--it's MY DOG! LOL. Is that really so difficult or esoteric a concept to grasp? ROFLMAO

Jeff, I have no idea when I am likely to he in Texas again. But, when I do, barbecue sounds good. . . so long as it's pork ribs! :-)

Why do you suppose that other registries do NOT allow this to be done?
Could it be that tracing the path of the parental history could be MUCKED UP?
Could it be that offspring from this animal will no longer have proper identification of pedigree?
The list of problems far outweighs the benefits of allowing this practice.

Do all computer trackings for said dog connect with one another, so that if the name is changed, all other input regarding this dog is changed and updated to reflect this dog's name change as well?
Will OFA update this new dog into their system to reflect hip status and that of siblings/ancestors?
That answer would be NO.

There is simply no good reason for AKC to allow this.
IT is solely money driven.

The original post I did on this subject was done because I received a SOLICITION from AKC to change my dog's name... on A dog I had imported from Germany...a dog who was already titled, who had already sired several litters etc.  And a dog with a known, REGISTERED KENNEL NAME in Germany.  This dog was also Tattooeed at time of identification for registration, with that number being tied to That Dog. 

The SV does Not allow name changes of any dog already registered, unless there is something incorrectly listed whereby it can be corrected, with the proper proof being provided to the SV.

Canadian KC does not allow any name changes on animals previously registered. 
Several horse registries that I inquired to about this...Thoroughbred Association, Arabian horse registry, Warmblood Horse Registry, Quarterhorse Registry...none allow name changes on an animal already registered.

Denwolf...your situation is a good example of just a sampling of the problems this will create...

Changing AKC Registered Name by DenWolf on 24 May 2011 - 23:05

DenWolf Post: 35 of 38 Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:04 pm

I have not renewed my kennel prefix because of what AKC did (or LACK of what they did, to be more precise). I really need to just follow through with it, and insiste that they correct the mess BEFORE the re-named dog is bred and starts producing litters...if that ever does happen. The icing on the cake was the AKC's refusal to correct the paperwork in the SAME litter when I sent them proof that the paperwork was mixed up.. As in, I MICROCHIPPED and TATTOOED all of the puppies in that litter, and the end-owner of the name-change puppy had the WRONG papers based on their tattoo and microchip... Instead of correcting the registration slips, AKC just decided to "switch" the puppies' tattooes and chip numbers for me. Now my records would be inaccurate, according to AKC.

Denwolf...

Yours is a case where you did everything right, according to AKC's own requirements.
You registered the entire litter yourself, you microchipped AND tattooed each dog for identification prior to sending them out to owners, and when things went wrong due to no fault of your own, you notified AKC expecting them to take action to correct this properly.

AKC fell far short on that one.


There appears to be no breeder protection for those registering their own litters, even when all of AKC's hoops are jumped through. 
AKC is a REGISTRY>>>
and A NON PROFIT REGISTRY at that. 
Their job is to provide and record registrations of previously documented and registered purebred dogs, documenting matings and the resulting offspring done by breeders of their animals.

If AKC had been the one to discover that the pup you sold was improperly identified, that the dogs had gotten mixed up, etc...  they would have had no problem placing the blame on you as breeder for not properly keeping records.
By their own rules and bylaws, this could have been reason enough for AKC to pull your registration rights with AKC.
Yet when you notified AKC of this problem, they chose to take the easy road and "themselves switch dogs" to make the numbers match right.

Quite the double standard.

Exactly, Jean..

All the AKC had to do was:

1. Request backor reissue the 2 registration slips that owner #2 mixed up
2. Revoke the "name-change" based on my proof of the forged paperwork
3. Allow a NEW name change with an UN-forged paper and the correct TATTOO, MICROCHIP, and AKC REGISTRATION NUMBER.

I would have liked to have seen some type of action taken against the person who made the forgery...   which, if it is true who did it, is a person that should KNOW better and has been in the dog world for MANY years.


Since AKC can't/ won't fix even a SIMPLE problem as this, what is the expectation that they could handle an even LARGER mess in the future??

Based on  this type of screw-up, I do believe they should NOT allow name changes, EXCEPT in the case of correction..



I had ANOTHER dog.. sold as a pet, who was returned to me by the owners.
They had used the name CHAMP in his registered name... which is NOT allowed by AKC's own rules..
Yet, they STILL allowed the dog to be registered with CHAMP.
I requested that the word CHAMP be removed from the name, and they agreed, and removed it at no charge.

THAT is a good reason to allow a name change... NOT because someone didn't like a breeder or their lines...

If you DON"T like a breeder or the line, then DON'T buy the dog... or just SAY so.. but to remove kennel names from dogs is pretty much removing the info from the historical record...


ANYBODY READ THE BOOK "ANIMAL FARM" IN HIGH SCHOOL???

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL" 
but
"SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"...

hmmmm.....

Mystere....
Everything, including dog registrations, are digitized and computerized.  The  AKC registration NUMBER remains the same; the tattoo remains the same; microchips (ideally) remain the same.  The birthdate, physical description and gender of the dog remains the same in registration documents.  
    In a perfect world...
    Unfortunately, AKC doesn't fit into that category.

Just the mere fact that they solicited me to change my newly foreign registration transferred dog...AND spelled my name incorrectly at the time, is proof enough that they don't follow the proper protocal of their own rules.
They state that foreign registered dogs can not have names changed...
OOOPS>>>

"Breeder Protection"... Well, there would be many things that in my mind would fall under that category.
pertaining to this thread, AKC only recently gave us as breeders the protection for selling our dogs with Limited registration status.
Unscrupulous buyers...and breeders...have even come up with ways to circumvent that piece of paperwork..
so that they end up with full registration..
I won't go into detail here...don't want to give anyone else ideas...

When we as breeders put our hard work into purchasing our breeding stock, pairing them up to produce our offspring, work to bring them up and to send into homes,  we have the right to sell them with the understanding that kennel name will be attached as part of the dog's name, AND, according to AKC's regulations allow our buyers to name their pup according to our criteria for SELLING them our pups...with this we expect that AKC, as OUR canine registration governing body, will uphold what WE do with OUR buyers, regarding what they agree to when purchasing our pup.  If potential buyers don't want to do that, they are free to buy someone else's pup.  But if they agree to do it when purchasing, AKC should not be able to superceed this agreement between our buyers and US.  Certainly, for a buyer to do that, automatically VOIDS our contract with them immediately.
We are proud of our pups.  We Want them to carry our kennel name and be part of our pride in what our kennel has accomplished with our breeding programs.  We don't want them to carry a name like
Little foo foo's wonder dog from wherever.  Nor do we want them to be carrying another breeder's kennel name, which is often one of the biggest reasons why other breeders CHANGE the names.