VOM and VON - what does this mean? - Page 4

Hundmutter, if people are buying dogs based on a kennel name, that's their own problem!  I don't think you realize how ridiculously common it is over here.  WGSL and WL dogs usually come from German kennel names with German naming schemes. The reverse is probably more of a red flag, people wonder why a solid German WL dog would have a name like "Dasiy Flower's Mr. Mickey Mouse" or something like that.  German dogs are kind of expected to have German names.

 @ VK.   LOL.

I think, in the English experience, some people at least 
do buy 'on the Kennel name', because those Kennels
are known to have good, winning stock, based on imports
from Germany and decent-breed knowledge by the breeder.

If you are a newbie and therefore don't have much else in the
way of knowledge or experience to choose your puppy by,
its probably preferable to go to one of the 'big names' (many
of which would be recognisable to many posters on here).
The 'little people' and BYBers might actually be cheaper and
in some cases better - or at least as good - but it is often
easier to find  e.g. websites by those who have a little more spare
cash, or who exhibit or train regularly and can be 'spotted' at Shows
and Clubs.

But they honestly don't need to be the ones with the German-sounding
handles.  EG  One I would always consider buying from, posts here using
his kennel name as his username, & I'm sure you've all heard of him;  there
is another Kennel with a Scots Gaelic name, much in the news in the States
and Germany currently, that most of you will have heard of.  And so on.

Yes we have to be careful of some affixes as they denote Alsatian afficianados,
not what you want if you are looking for a German / International type dog,  but
they are usually less exotic than a lot of AKC kennel names.

I meant buying on name, literally.  I know people often by on "name" as in reputation.  Even I start with certain kennels when looking for a new dog, based on their reputation and first hand experience or recommedations from people I trust.  But buying just based on the actual name and whether it's in German or English?  Sounds pretty lame to me.

I don't get this thread. I don't understand why you wouldn't keep the names of import GSDs German to identify their lineage as opposed to naming them like some BYB American pet lines with 13 words in their name. When I see an American name on a GSD while shopping, I don't even click the pedigree UNLESS the dog has a look that tells me it's a good dog with a stupid name, given by someone who doesn't understand the tradition and may just be totally new to GSDs or I'm just flat out curious. If you're breeding German Shepherds in the German tradition as far as up-close lineage and going by the German standard, and utilizing dogs born here, into your program as well as dogs you've imported, I can't wrap my head around why you would give them absurd, American names that sound just like the names of pets you see advertised on the bulletin board at WalMart. Why would you NOT differentiate so people looking would know what they were looking at? 

Should my family have abandoned the Italian last name when my grandfather emigrated? Have those of us still using it committed some "nefarious" deed, not indicating that we are now American for 2 generations? I'm genuinely confused by this thread's purpose. I think people should be as true to the type as they can when breeding. If your dog comes from many generations of AKC champions, name them in that fashion. If their parents are both still in Germany with German names, then name the dog in that tradition for identification purposes on type, if nothing else. There's still show vs. working and all that stuff that people have to learn when in the learning phase, so naming import dogs American names seems like one more thing to make it rather complicated. 

Jen  -  Not talking about changing the name of an individual dog;  
under AKC rules you guys seem to have more laxity than we do in
the UK (I don't know how the SV feels about that ?).

If someone imports a dog to a Brit kennel from Germany, it keeps
its given name whatever that is.  The new owner might ADD "at
Videx" for instance   (Sorry David, just needed a quick example !),
but the dog remains Rommel vom Thuringierberg ... at Videx.


If that's a bitch (funny if called 'Rommel' but never mind ) the new owner
calls her next offspring, registered in the UK,  Videx Flippy, Floppy and
Floozy [or Flippy etc of Videx].  The dog is bred here so it takes the breeders'
name.  If the KENNEL is called Saxe-Coburg, that would be:  Rommel v. T +
 @ Saxe-Coberg instead of @ Videx, and Saxe-Coburg Flippy, Floppy or Floozy.
OR  Floozy VOM Saxe-Coburg ... even tho' its an English bred puppy, UK owner,
registered with the UK Kennel Club.  Geddit ?  It is the habit of some, mainly
newer, breeders/kennels adopting a German name rather than an English one
AND putting Von, Vom, Aus, etc INTO the names of the pups they produce
that I was on about.  Hell, we even get people registering pups over here as 
"Whatever Von". Period.  Are they hoping to sell to another breeder with a reg'd
kennel name that will work like that, they just add "Schneizlhund" or something ?

PS Don't laugh at my made-up names, there WAS a Flippy von Arlett  !!!

VK  Ah ! Got ya now.  Yes that would be pretty silly,
and pretty rare, I would think ... but anything's possible.

vom - Preposition of, belonging to; from, starting in, beginning at, since, by
von - Preposition from, starting in, beginning at, originating in, by, since, of; off, from on; about

Yes ok Kim we got off topic, but we'd already done the meanings
of the words, as requested by the OP, to death (again).

Marko pretty well explained the difference between vom and von, not that easy for people outside of Germany...

I really don´t care about kennel names, but I don´t understand why Americans are allowed to CHANGE names.
For us it´s simple, every breeder does have his own kennel name, the litters are named from A to Z, no doubles allowed.
So it´s easy to track back any dog, no doubles, no changes. One name, one dog - one kennel name, one breeder.

In the US many people don't know or care or a difference between Von/Vom and use them interchangeably.  Have to agree that many people use Von or Vom to make the dog/litter sound more German.  This is especially true in dogs from recent imports (within a couple of generations)  If you look @ AKC show dogs, most don't use Von... and they have the kennel name first. I see this as a form of advertising.  If they look @ a list of dogs/bitches who finish their championship, or get their OFA etc they're usually listed alphabetically so at a quick glance they'll have all their pups listed together and in order.  A lot of them still use letters for each litter, though some go for theme names.  Like cars, or cities etc. 
  The use of someone's kennel name is generally reserved for litters where they were the actual breeder.  Some will allow use on litters produced by dogs they've bred also.  It's polite to refrain from using other people's Kennel names (even if not registered) without their permission.  If the breeder of your dog isn't interested in having a kennel name, or hasn't got one at this time, you don't have to us one at all, or think of one yourself, even if it's just your name.  
   Several of the breeders I've dealt with register ALL of their puppies before sale, and transfer the final registration papers after the name is fixed.