So What Is a "Sable" GSD??? - Page 4

The top picture is Issac--his dad is the sable below him and his mom a blk/tan bitch. Please show me this more distinct pattern and saddle it has? I don't think so.

Ibrahim, to my knowledge this dog is homozygous for sable: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=437550

This is more of what I meant

But there is NO SADDLE--that's what I am trying to tell you--you are spouting info that is wrong. He is a black sable-I know the pic is a little dark but there is no saddle. I raised these puppies--I knew what color they were when they were born. I don't need to DNA them--I know what was bred to what cause I was watching the breeding. Gums arte black, nails are black and mask is black. Now what?

If you breed a sable to black and tan, a resultant sable (red sable) like the one the OP showed will have a somewhat similar look like of a black/tan saddled back though it is SABLE. The more you breed such a sable to black tan and repeat for more generations the more the sables will become closer to black/tan saddled GSDs but in fact they are SABLES no matter what some would think they are faded black/tans, that is part of what I was trying to say, the OP's GSD is a Red Sable.

Then you need to say some sables or this sable--you cannot generalize and say all sables that are the product of a sable and a blk and tan. As I said get your facts straight. I do not know everything but I think I know more thasn you cause I don't go by what Joe Blow said or this book--I go by what's in my back yard and breeding program.............
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=697589 this is Scooby when does the saddle start to show up? This is an Iron Man son.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=609405 this is Mauli Scooby's littermate Where's her saddle.? You said as the generations go on the saddle shows up more and more.
well evidently my sables haven't read that book cause they just keep getting darker.

No it doesn't. There is no saddle, there will never be a saddle. What part of this do you not understand? I have shown you pics, I have PROVED to you you are wrong. Maybe in that one case but you are saying it like every case and I know that's not true.

I am done here. Please people when you read what he says take it with a grain of salt. Hands on experience is so much more telling then what one reads ion a book or someone else who doesn't know tells him.

Oh, is my English that bad!! My goodness, your dogs are not products of show line black/tan saddles mated with Sables though they have non sable ancestors, come on.......

I think the confusion here is that breeding a sable to a black/tan involves more than one gene. If you are breeding a sable to generations and generations of German showlines, if the dog inherits the sable gene it is likely that the dog will be a patterned sable because they are not inheriting any other gene (besides sable + black/tan). However, most of the other lines carry other colors, including bicolor and black as recessive to the black and tan, so you will NOT necessarily get a patterned sable regardless of how many black/tan dogs you breed to.

Ibrahim, I still don't get what you are saying with the homozygous sables. Do you have any examples? If you are saying what I think you are saying, I think that Galant's picture disproves that...but it is easy to misunderstand on the internet ;-)

Please look at this Red Sable

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dog.html?id=567837

I bet many would think he's black/tan saddled