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I agree with Chaz.

Here is a link to the Canadian version (CKC) of the test (Canine Good Neighbour):
http://www.ckc.ca/en/Default.aspx?tabid=91
(Look under What? 12 steps)

I've been encouraged to do this test (even though it doesn't really mean much) to demonstrate that I'm a responsible dog owner in case someone complains about my "dangerous" dog (regardless of what other training I'm doing).

     If Schtzhund is not really my goal what advantage is there in getting a BH rather then a CGC...?

          Any thoughts...??

     

I did a BH last September and had to take the written test. Definitely hasn't been thrown out for first-time BHers.
Also, in my opinion, the BH and CGC are in very little way comparable. The BH, if it had to be compared, would be a marrying of the CGC and the CD. If you don't have Schutzhund in mind as a goal, there's absolutely no 'advantage' to having a BH, except some meager bragging rights.

great topic.....

so if BH is a prep step to Sch, what would be another avenue for dogs in same direction as BH? agility sports with advance OB?..this whole lay out is never clear...wish there was a chart.

SCH III
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SCH II
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SCHI
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BH - Therapy dog (?) - SAR (?)

i am just guessing here..but something like this would have been a lot of help to those who is just being introduced to the lay out of training and what can be achieved...hope this makes sense..because with so many posts in so many directions its hard to know what precedes what and what are "other"/branching out options in training...for example i always wondered French Ring..where does it fit in and do you need anything prior to that or do you just walk in and than what?...pass/fail? are there levels? and how does French ring fits in with BH or does it not at all... o_O

[quote] The CGC can be obtained at your local petsmart. I believe it is 10 dollars and the dog is totally on leash [/quote]   I don't think you can take the CGC at Petsmart anymore.  The affiliated organization that was involved with Petsmart backed out a few years back.  The hangup seems to be that an AKC judge or AKC evaluator needs to run the CGC test, then submit the paperwork to the AKC; and no one appears to want to do that for Petsmart anymore.     The CGC does have an off leash component and is only different from the BH because of the various "people encounters", traffic components and written exam, which the CGC does not have.  Otherwise its the same test, may be less strict on scoring, but the same excersises none the less.  However recently the AKC has introduced a new title called Beginner Novice (BN) which is one step below the CD title and one step aove the CGC.  It requires a handler and dog to have a passing scores under three judges at three different events, so unlike the BH and the CGC its not a one shot deal.  The handler has to pass three times under three different judges for the BN and the CD. So, not exactly the same as the BH, but also not a slam dunk easier test either.

I'd recheck that. Went to petsmart last week to buy food and they still offer the CGC.

Dunno about Petsmart, but I'm pretty sure Petco, at least, still offers the Good Citizen course, which the fee for that includes the six or eight weeks of class and the test at the end. Becoming a CGC evaluator is by no means difficult (a few qualifications that 80% of us here probably already have and a fee), and quite a few of these pet store trainers also have their CGC evaluator certification as well, so that cuts out the middle-man.

LF

French Ring does not have anything to do with the BH and SchH.  It's its own animal, much like AKC titles.

Ruger I agree with pinkbitesleeve, if SchH is not your goal and your looking more towards AKC titles and events then the BH may not be something you'd be interested in.  However, SchH doesn't just mean the full SchH titles.  You can also do the SchH level tracking titles, obedience titles, endurence titles and the like.

Take my female for instance.  She has her BH.  From there she got her SchH 1, she now also has a TR (tracking) 2 and an OB (obedience) 2, in the Fall or next spring I will attempt and FH (Advanced tracking) with her.

Becoming a CGC evaluator is by no means difficult (a few qualifications that 80% of us here probably already have and a fee)

You'll get no argument from me on this nuance, but there are people taking the CGC with AKC judges (not evaluators), who then go on to earn the BN, CD, CDX etc, etc.  So yes, there is a "quality control" issue on who is authorized to evaulate and issue a CGC, but some folks do get evaluated at a higher standard.  Do shutzhund judges have some kind of national certification process?  I know the helpers do.  

Be sure you know if its Petco or Petsmart.  A few years ago I heard "Petsmart" had some kind of liability issue and decided to no longer offer the CGC, but still have thier in-store class (they have dedicated floor space for it).  I was unaware that Petco had an in in-house training class because they do not have the retail floor space for such.  Perhaps they are working with a 3rd party as Petsmart once did.

I have always compared a BH to a CD+ leg.  I say + because of the moving sit and down.  CGC is in not really comparable in my book.  For one reason, a long down with your back to the dog while another dog is working on the field is no way comparable to the dog downing for 3 minutes while someone is holding onto the leash.  Another is that  the heeling is in no way comparable - particularly given the length of time one must heel in a BH.

Why would someone do a BH if not intending to title in SchH?  For various reasons in my mind.  While I have titled in SchH, my breed is not one that is known to to do the sport.  With that said, while I might not want a SchH title with a specific dog, I often would like to be able to do the TR and OB titles which require a BH to enter.  Additionally, it is just another venue that I can challenge my dog and I to compete in.  My breed's motto is a good cattle dog is a tired cattle dog and going for a BH is just another way to tire an ACD out ;-)