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by violet on 08 May 2011 - 11:05
This is really sad. I really do feel for this man.
My boyfriend and I have recently had to start introducing two adult female shepherds together along with an adult male jack russell terrier. We are reasonably well informed when it comes to introducing adults, especially females because we needed to be. It hasn't been easy, but we are informed enough to know never to leave all of them alone together. They respect us as the bosses when we are there, but when not, we have no idea how things could go, so we wouldn't put them in this position, especially as one of the females is a working guide dog.
I plan on working in rescue one day and because of my experience i would never allow people to end up with three dogs in a house hold unless i was confident they were going to be able to manage the task, and almost never two females unless they were able to keep them seperate when alone. Its way too risky. I hope this man doesn't blame himself because it wasn't his fault he didn't know this. There should be more information like this available out there. Maybe its something breeders could start putting onto their web pages as they usually have the years of experience to know this. Even some behaviourists aren't aware of this fact which some people find surprising, but then that field isn't yet monitored enough.
My boyfriend and I have recently had to start introducing two adult female shepherds together along with an adult male jack russell terrier. We are reasonably well informed when it comes to introducing adults, especially females because we needed to be. It hasn't been easy, but we are informed enough to know never to leave all of them alone together. They respect us as the bosses when we are there, but when not, we have no idea how things could go, so we wouldn't put them in this position, especially as one of the females is a working guide dog.
I plan on working in rescue one day and because of my experience i would never allow people to end up with three dogs in a house hold unless i was confident they were going to be able to manage the task, and almost never two females unless they were able to keep them seperate when alone. Its way too risky. I hope this man doesn't blame himself because it wasn't his fault he didn't know this. There should be more information like this available out there. Maybe its something breeders could start putting onto their web pages as they usually have the years of experience to know this. Even some behaviourists aren't aware of this fact which some people find surprising, but then that field isn't yet monitored enough.
by brynjulf on 08 May 2011 - 13:05
Yes Jenni i do. A true fear biter is a dog that bites from a fear state actual or imagined on the dogs part. A panic. Genetically there is a screw missing and they can not be trained or conditioned out of it. So maybe this is what you are talking about when you say crap dogs? I don't know probably one of those internet translation things. After grooming over 30,000 dogs in my 26 years it is my opinion that's dogs (all breeds)are getting less stable than ever. ( It is my personal belief that the shelters are responsible for this no more euth.) In the old days if fluffy was a fear biting unstable critter dad took it out to live on the neighbors farm. Today the condition is seen as cute and needy so they put it in a pink dress and breed it. So now we have nutty to nutty being bred.
Anyhow the true point of this thread was this poor fella who didnt know any better. He brought how a lovely girl thinking he did the right thing, giving her a home. Because of his lack of education the poor girl died. I can only imagine how upset he is. :(
Anyhow the true point of this thread was this poor fella who didnt know any better. He brought how a lovely girl thinking he did the right thing, giving her a home. Because of his lack of education the poor girl died. I can only imagine how upset he is. :(
by MAINLYMAX on 08 May 2011 - 17:05
Keith,
This is very interesting...It was not long ago
someone here had posted something saying you don't need to
worry about females hurting one another enough to
be concerned about....I was the only one who disagreed.
My females are sisters and love one another. But if there was
say a bone of contention like a ball or article. They would very
most certainly hurt one another...
And never put 2 males alone and leave them. They
don't need a bone to fight over....Especially with the working breeds.
This is very interesting...It was not long ago
someone here had posted something saying you don't need to
worry about females hurting one another enough to
be concerned about....I was the only one who disagreed.
My females are sisters and love one another. But if there was
say a bone of contention like a ball or article. They would very
most certainly hurt one another...
And never put 2 males alone and leave them. They
don't need a bone to fight over....Especially with the working breeds.
by Kalibeck on 08 May 2011 - 18:05
I have 4; 3 females & 1 male. I have a dam & 2 of her daughters, & an unrelated male. I can let 2 at a time out to play, the male & my older bitch, the male & 1 of the girls, the mom & 1 daughter, (& of course a heat cycle throws a wrench in the works, then the dynamics change) but NEVER the 2 daughters together. The 2 girls start off OK, but as soon as 1 of them decides to pick up ANYTHING, the other must have it. If I am with them, I can control it ('cause if I am with those 2 they are on leashes! LOL!). But I have seen it escalate, & it happens so quickly that most people are shocked into a stupor. I was lucky the one time it started, I was able to stop it by picking up one of the girls & tossing her through the door into the house...yes I was bitten. But that was my lesson, that was 2 years ago & it'll NEVER happen again. Bitches are absolutely the worst for fighting. It's why we use the word the way we do.
Poor guy, it's a hard, hard lesson. I hope he doesn't blame the other 2 dogs either. They are just being dogs. We are hard on people who crate their dogs, so many folks think out in the yard is kinder; but crates must be used for the safety of your dogs, especially when introducing new dogs to an established group. And never unsupervised. Besides fighting, dogs can get hung up & strangle, climb or dig their way out, there are just too many opportunities for disaster. I always question anyone who wants a multi-dog household, beyond 2, because I know how hard it is. You must be very serious & committed to maintaining a safe enviorment for your dogs, yourselves, & your neighbors. jackie harris
Poor guy, it's a hard, hard lesson. I hope he doesn't blame the other 2 dogs either. They are just being dogs. We are hard on people who crate their dogs, so many folks think out in the yard is kinder; but crates must be used for the safety of your dogs, especially when introducing new dogs to an established group. And never unsupervised. Besides fighting, dogs can get hung up & strangle, climb or dig their way out, there are just too many opportunities for disaster. I always question anyone who wants a multi-dog household, beyond 2, because I know how hard it is. You must be very serious & committed to maintaining a safe enviorment for your dogs, yourselves, & your neighbors. jackie harris
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