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Blitzen, Well said!

BTW, if it was only about the love of the breed, then why all the BS rumors to hurt this site and trash fellow dogs lovers?

It is not about the breed for some of the people I see here--it is about control or better yet the lack of control.

I never trashed any fellow dog lovers, you seem to have a real issue with me. I have never spread any rumors and will be happy to defend anything I have said or written. Provide details and we can discuss it if you like. Otherwise, this is my last response to you. I don't do well with vague innuendos and veiled threats. I will gladly discuss any issues that you may have with me publicly or privately. I will be more than happy to address the issues that I have as well. As in the past, I will be straight forward and direct with you. It is hard to reconcile things that are not discussed openly and honestly.

Personally I don't think "outting" a breeder is always done to spite that person. There are times that the intent is to issue a "buyer beware" fair warning to those who are looking for a dog, a stud service, training, etc..

But stalking the persons every comment is wrong.

Here's my .02  for what it's worth. I can't even remember how long I have been a member on here. This is the only forum that I am on. And for the most part I enjoy getting on. I am only familiar with "history" amongst posters from my start time or what I am aware of since being on the PDB. I respect all admins, that is just who I am. But, I will say this lightly; Any job or Poston can be thankless and at times seem not worth even being in it/doing it/performing it. But you were not forced into that Poston, you chose that for either known or unknown reasons. In my eyes if it's too a point of thanklessness being felt where it's not worth it then it's time to get out. With that being said I am not directing that comment at any one admin and again I will say, I respect all admins.

I, personally have only had issues with two subjects since joining; And it really, IMO, doesn't boil down to us being a certain type personality. In all honesty certain issues/topics/instances can only be/come from the horses mouth. "Walk the walk/talk the talk" if you will. And some individuals in my opinion attempt to talk the talk with out ever being there. And that is what bites them in the ass. Usually in order to PROVE a VALID point you need facts and instances to verify information. We won't go there and I'm sure those involved know of what I am talking about. I and I am sure we can see animosity amongst some members. And it doesn't matter if it's one thread or twenty threads. Yes, some good individuals have left in my time. But they chose to do that for whatever reason(s). Some due to things happening before my time. Certain individuals need no backing but in my eyes right is right and if you know the job/task at hand then there's not much you can say or try to say that can discredit that or discredit that person.  Just because you ? don't like the individual and you try another tactic to discredit/belittle or whatever you want to call it just shows the type of person you are. Once a pattern has been established then you  pretty much are who you are and that perception won't change. Hopefully I'm making some sense. There's no need calling individuals out. That's not the intention of this post. I'll stand by some because I either fully agree, have walked the walk, or have been in the same situation.     

We all feel this way because of the constant fight against the admins. If you where on this side you would have a totally different opinion. Being an admin changes people and they begin to see all that is happening not just the things left on the public board. I can only think of one admin who has let it slide but they keep saying how middle school some of the members are and no I am not talking members on this thread.

Once you step on this side and realize all the crap that has and does go on you would have a slightly different perspective. All of you would. It happens to the most mild mannered of admins and to the toughest of admins. Like you folks getting frustrated saying the same thing over and over to new members. We have the same issue over and over with certain members and it does wear on the admins.

We also receive no pay but we do know that going in. So, why should we take the abuse we do? Our simple answer is we will not any longer and it seems to have worked with most members.

Thanks alboe2009 for your thoughts and opinions.

GSD....all I can say THANK GOD admins who were on a power trip are no longer with us....I think negative taste was left when the very first admins were introduced and went on the "I am God now feel my wrath" trip...so, even though things have changed since, the impression of negativity remained...nothing negative against any current admins (at least from me)...i think this site had improved dramatically for the better.

I agree that calling into question every post made by a specific member/s is not the right thing to do. If that happens here, I haven't noticed it, but I don't come close to reading every thread.  I wouldn't call it stalking; that word seems to be overused on the internet.  I'd call it frustration with reading self-promoting posts from those who are well known in the breed to be liars and cheaters.

I am a mod myself, so appreciate that it is a thankless job and that the rules must always be applied equitably. The job becomes more difficult when there are members who think they are so clever that a Palin wink, a smiley, or an "LOL" makes it OK to piss on another member while crying foul when their own ethics are rightfully called into question.

IMO the moderating here is a lot better than it was when I first signed on here when it was almost non-existent. Members are always going to disagree about the way a mod/mods adminsters the TOS's.


  

I'm a mod/admin on another site and we don't have these issues much. I think it's mostly due to the fact that we require introductions including real names prior to allowing that person to post. Sadly, it serves to keep people more honest when they have to be accountable for what they're saying. When you have this "nameless, faceless" thing going on, like here, well.......you see what happens. The same trolls come back time and time again under different names, people twist stories or tell half-truths or even outright lies as if they are the gospel truth and they do it purely to damage someone they don't like.

The trouble is, without knowing who that person is, the agenda isn't as clear. When people bicker on other forums, using their names, or at least knowing eachother's identities, people (newbies) can take it for what it is, "oh, So and So is arguing with Little Johnny again" with a grain of salt, because it is a bit more obvious that there personal history there, and use what they know to find out more and make an educated, unbiased decision who to deal with. Plus,  2 people arguing isn't taken as seriously as when someone comes on, professing to be looking out for "the breed" and seeking to "educate" or "protect" when really, often, they don't know what they're talking about and are only spreading rumors. 2 people on equal playing ground who don't like each other typically maintain a shred more respect than one person who is "out there" for everyone to see, uses their real name always, and one person who remains a secret, identity-wise. This is inherently unfair, imo, and speaks to their lack of credibility. If you say something of such mangitude as some of these recent accusations, then be prepared to stand by it, or you are just a mean-spirited, trouble-making coward, imo.

There has been a lot of heat on one individual lately, that while I have not seen eye to eye with this person many, many times over the last decade or so, I have never known that person to be a liar, but the fact that they aren't playing by the rules of full disclosure to the FORUM (customers I've spoken to are happy), means that they are crucified and harassed and yes, even stalked. No rule anywhere says all forums must know exactly what goes on at a person's home or facility at all times. So long as the individuals who deal with that breeder are satisfied and receive full disclosure, I fail to see how it's anyone's business what is advertised on FREE site where all sorts of horrible things are listed daily and go unnoticed when the urge strikes to play the mob-action game. I have had my fair share of efforts to make me look bad by an unnamed individuals and a few bored vultures who jumped in for the hell of it. They were pretty pathetic attempts, easily refuted by information made available to those who DESERVE the information (ie, puppy clients) and Guys, it doesn't work. I have never had so much interest in my dogs as when you're posting nonsense about them, because people see right through it and you show your true colors. I'm sure the same holds true for your latest target and every target who will follow.  I swear, I don't know how certain people find enough time in the day to do all this "research" for the "good of the breed."

Frankly, missing out on time to peruse this forum is one of my favorite things about my new job, LOL.