Malinios vs GSD - Page 3

vincent , if you live in or around holland ,I will  take you up on it and see you and your dogs , no problem , I will even get in the suit for them if you want

in KNPV you hardly will find pedigreemalinois , no big numbers there , mostly crosses , I saw one great malinois past time  in knpv , but he was nvbk

I thought that guy said Bouviers were the best?

Still would like to know what KNPV people that you associate with? One great KNPV Malinois? I bet for you it is hard to tell what a nice dog is with your head so far up your @$$.

whatever vince , I think you have a better view of whats happening here in holland from the usa , than me living here

if Mals are no longer the "it" dog for KNPV training, why are soo many being used?
maybe things have changed in the past few years, but I knew of only a few gsd kennels that dealt in KNPV, Antverpa was one of them.

Uber Land not much has changed in the KNPV world Malinois are still the "it" dog for KNPV.

I know that I see very few GSD's with KNPV titles than Malinois if you got out of that box you live in you would already know this duke.

I am still wondering what KNPV people you are talking about?

If only I were in Holland I would definitely bring my dogs out to you and I am sure that any of your negative connotations of Malinois being less than that of a GSD would quickly be removed from your mind.

Just remember that everyone thinks that there dog is the best thing to walk on four legs and that is great everyone should, but in my eyes a good dog is still a good dog no matter what breed it is. I just prefer to work a Malinois but am always open to work a good GSD.

Haviing the pleasure of being around all of these, training, working, decoying, etc... I have seen good, bad, young, old,slow, fast,  to mature, A good dog is where you find it, depending on the type of dog you choose to own is a  personal choice.

malinoiscrosses are it in KNPV , you wont find many pedigreemalinois , and a bunch of the pedigreemalinois also have other breeds/dogs behind them than the ones mentioned on the papers

no big deal , and certainly , I dont know and see all dogs in holland and offcoarse there are some good ones obviously , but not like you go to any KNPV club and you can see great pedigree malinois

vince , do you know five great pedigree malinois currently active in KNPV today in holland

i know an older fort oranje dog in IPO that I like , explosive eli van de vroomshoeve  is  a very good dog as I remember him , and  a few more , but when I go to all breed competitions , im not blown away by malinois
in two weeks we have the dutch national all breed championships , maybe I will be surprised there

I think there is a distinct difference between the two. My Malinois is way different than any GSD I ever owned. I love GSD. But, endurance, stamina, precision, brains, speed, even the way she carries herself like foot work is different.

Among other things..... I notice

The way her brain calculates distances on terrain and her independent afore thought is amazing. She doesn't skip a beat no matter her speed. It's like compairing a moose to a white tail to be honest.

She had one mis calculation at 5 months old, where she injured her right carpus while coming to a stop. This was the only time she ever sat still outside house etiquette.

About the only thing my Malinois doesn't have that the GSD has sometimes too much of is patience while on her feet or simply the willingness to stand still. She never did. (I couldn't imagine not having a doggy door) But with that said, and the type of owner I am, we are a great match. I'm sure I could have remedied this useing the E-Collar, but I didn't. Now that she's 4 years old, I realize her impatience compliments us both.

She is also the only dog I ever owned that refuses to stay in the bed of the truck on distant travels. She does on the farm, race track, mountain anywhere thats custom but not when we leave. She insists running with the truck. So, she rides shot-gun when we go to the city.

Both her parents and all her relatives are NVBK, maybe this has something to do with the differences between the two I see. I dunno. What I do know is, her dad was amazing at all the qualities I mentioned in the first para that's what attracted me to him.. I could only imagine how proud his owners are at all his accomplishments in the NVBK world.

This is coming from a perspective of work that isn't schutzhund, ring etc. So maybe this really doesn't mean anything to anyone. Just sharing.

I went to a Dutch Shepherd because of the prey drive.  Earlier maturity.  Very bidable, great work ethic.  Learn very fast.  Facinated by his looks.  Yes I said it and I don't care what you think.   I thought they were beautiful, and when I had the chance to get a good one...I got it.  I also have ACDs again a very high drive dog.  I still have GSD and I always will.   When it came to a personal Protection dog I got my Dutch Shepherd.  We went into training together.  He is with me all the time.  I have different dogs for different reasons, and I do different things with all of them.  I will always have a GSD that is what I started with...that is what I will end up with.  But I worked with Dutch Shepherds and loved them so much...I had to have one.  As for learning...boy are they fast.  And I have not had a problem "undoing" anything.  He is smart enough to learn how to do it one way...and smart enough to learn not to do it as well.  They all live in the house if they want...some prefer outside to sleep and come in the house to eat and for visits.  My Dutch Shepherd sleeps by my bed.  I don't consider him "the dark side".  I consider him a valuable part of my life....and a choice I made that I put a lot of thought into.  By the way...my chihuahua's can kick sosme butt as well!!  lol