STOLEN DOG - ILLINOIS USA - Page 29

So, when a missing kid is found dead and it turns out no foul play was involved, you ask for your money back?

I don't like comparing missing/dead children to missing/dead dogs.  But to answer jenni's question, if I had donated money to help find Caylee Anthony and found out that money was lining Casey Anthony's pocket, then yes, knowing what I know now about that case, I'd want my money back.

I don't want the money I donated to the Hex fund to be returned.  But the difference is, at this point, there is no reason to believe Al lied about Hex being stolen.  I think he probably truly believed his dog was stolen (and maybe Hex was).  However, I have to agree with Thomas, that if I left my dog unattended in an unenclosed area and he went missing, I would think he had run away, not that he was stolen.

Betty,

I don't know or care where the money came from. I seem to remember Jeff G mentioning somewhere that if anyone wanted their money back all they had to do was ask. If you don't want a refund that is your choice.
As long as everyone is given the same choice.

"Thomas, while I prefer for people to use their own name, the site does not require it and I think you are a bit out of line demanding that someone be vouched for."

I didn't demand I requested. I reached conclusions based on "Victorias" refusal and imagine others will reach
their own conclusions.

"Personally, I donatd $100, and I have no issues with respect to the who/what/how of the handling of the funds."

In that case. I don't see the problem? 

"YES I bought lots of bracelets and have no problem with any of it.

Again, if you don't have a problem why don't you let everyone else make their own decision?

Thomas Barriano

<rolling eyes> It's got nothing to do with comparing children to dogs. Good freaking grief. It's like those old aptitude tests we all took...the long standardized ones where you have to pick out the main idea after reading a short blurb. Anyway......................The POINT in what I said is the NATURE OF THE DONATION, not the cause. Criminy. You don't make a DONATION for a cause conditional upon the end result. 

Thomas, I have no knowledge of you other than hearing your name a time or two around dog circles,  but FYI, you're coming across to be quite spiteful and taking what seems to be a really bizarre level of interest in a few dollars spent on some rubber bracelets to help find out (yes, find out!) what happened to a beloved dog. The money was given freely, not extorted. Not your money, not your business (and I mean "you" in general.)

Jenn, I read a police report that says the dog was hit by a truck, they received a call from the driver, who also called the owner, and the vet shares this opinion. There is a website that claims to be the official site. On that site, they claim to have already raised $6000. $3000 is for a reward that leads to an arrest.(?). So that leaves $3,000 for the PI and vets at Illinois. How much do those cost? I looked into the latter a few years ago,but I've never hired a PI. The "official" site is asking for more donations, and I'd be curious how much is needed. I know the PI's website is listed,but I doubt it states rates. I would think it prudent to list your costs if you're asking for donations from the public.

Chaz, I can't speak as to the cost of a PI, but the cost of a complete necropsy, including extensive toxicology, is going run to over $1000 alone--just a simple single-sample tissue biopsy runs about $150-200 at the least. The official site does state that in the event any of the money collected from the public is used, the specifics will be posted on that site for everyone to see. But frankly, as a donor (not a bracelet buyer, just a straight donation), I don't have any issues with how it's being handled, nor with the proposals as to what will be done with any money not used for the investigation and/or reward. I just want to be sure no stone is left unturned in determining *exactly* what happened that September morning...and the present police report and veterinary opinion are by no means indicative that all stones have been turned.

Hexe, I really don't care about much. But by your last statement, you either believe that there is a conspiracy involving the police and vet, OR you believe they are inadequate. Which is fine and your right. I think many have the same feelings, but don't be surprised when there are others that think differently. The only thing that surprises me, is the fact that everything involved in this saga hasn't been displayed on this board.

The company I worked for hired a PI because of suspected fraud in a Workers Comp case.  Their fees would of depleted the Hex Fund rapidly.  I would imagine PI's are similar to Attorneys with fees all over the place but still not cheap for the average person.

Hexe writes:

"I just want to be sure no stone is left unturned in determining *exactly* what happened that September morning...and the present police report and veterinary opinion are by no means indicative that all stones have been turned."

There have been several remarks about my conspiracy theories, but most often things are exactly what they appear to be. Hex went missing and was found in the ditch across the street almost two weeks later and had been there for sometime. The necropsy said injuries consistent with being hit by a vehicle.  A truck driver told the police he hit a dog that morning and called the owner the next day. How many stones are you willing to pay to have "turned" before just accepting that Hexs death was an accident?

I'm really concerned with all the unsubstantiated rumors and allegations floating around. We're giving the publeic the idea that Schutzhud people go around stealing and killing each others dogs :-(

This needs to end. We need to know when the necropsy report is released and when the toxicoloy tests will
be done. In two weeks, at the end of the month, ? something. No more open ended "we're waiting for x"
Private Investigators will "investigate" for as long as they're being paid. I'd much rather see the money either
returned or used for a memorial or Scholarship or some worthwhile cause, then to line the pockets of a PI

Thomas Barriano

Chaz, I'm neither a conspiracy theorist nor someone who finds the police to be inadequate; I only know that because of the emotions involved in the situation, and the less than clear circumstances of Hex's disappearance, it's unlikely that anyone who knew and cared for the dog will ever be able to find any peace in their heart over this until there are no more questions in need of answers.  Heck, even Dobermannman still looks for his missing dog, and still thinks about him, because he was never able to get resolution.  I'm also not surprised others think differently--I just can't understand why the point of contention seems to continue to be that complete strangers have donated money in response to the dog's disappearance.

As for why the rest of the story's not being displayed, given the little that has been hinted at, I'd guess that it has more than a little to do with attorney's admonitions to keep one's counsel.