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by SitasMom on 25 September 2012 - 01:09
beetree, did you know kitkats sister well, did you talk to her specifically about breeding/puppy cotracts, her business and breeding ethics?
by beetree on 25 September 2012 - 05:09
Kitkat knows how well I knew her sister, Sitasmom. She'll use that and weigh it in with my opinion, I am sure; it is what I expect, actually.
by Northern Maiden on 27 September 2012 - 04:09
Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you supposed to have the full registration papers BEFORE you even breed the dogs?
by beetree on 27 September 2012 - 13:09
Usually, but since when did that stop anybody with a "good" dog? This could be someone taking advantage of the breeder's death, that is a possibility. Just not the end of the world. That is why in this case, why not think first about, "What about the dogs?" So, go see the dogs, first, and consider them. Examine the pedigrees. If this one person happens to "benefit" in the process, it doesn't really matter--- so long as the dogs end up winning, too.
Kitkat I think has enough smarts to be able to make that call and then she will still be fulfilling her desire to honor her sister's breeder "legacy". IMHO.
Kitkat I think has enough smarts to be able to make that call and then she will still be fulfilling her desire to honor her sister's breeder "legacy". IMHO.
by fawndallas on 27 September 2012 - 15:09
IMHO From a lay mans perspective, if I am going to spend the money on a registered dog, no matter what I intend to do with the dog, I would expect to have the papers when I picked up the puppy. This is part of what I bought. Why would I accept a partial purchase? I would not wait 4 years to say"oh, you know, I need to register my dog."
This sounds fishy to me. On the other hand, I try to think about the good in people first.
1. Are you sure the bitch came from your sister? If not, and the woman cannot prove she got the dog from your sister, well.... there is you answer, no proof, no papers. Proof should include both sides of the breeding (sire and bitch).
2. If you are sure the bitch came from your sister, were her litters able to be registered and do you have all of the paper work for the registration? If not, then the owner is kind of stuck. If the parents cannot be proven to be registered, AKC will not register any off spring.
Note: There is a different kind of registration that AKC does now for dogs that are obviously full blood, but parents are not registered.
3. If you have all the paper work and the owner can prove the dog came from your sister's registered bitch..... I am not sure you, as the estate adminstrator, can legally withhold the registration.
This sounds fishy to me. On the other hand, I try to think about the good in people first.
1. Are you sure the bitch came from your sister? If not, and the woman cannot prove she got the dog from your sister, well.... there is you answer, no proof, no papers. Proof should include both sides of the breeding (sire and bitch).
2. If you are sure the bitch came from your sister, were her litters able to be registered and do you have all of the paper work for the registration? If not, then the owner is kind of stuck. If the parents cannot be proven to be registered, AKC will not register any off spring.
Note: There is a different kind of registration that AKC does now for dogs that are obviously full blood, but parents are not registered.
3. If you have all the paper work and the owner can prove the dog came from your sister's registered bitch..... I am not sure you, as the estate adminstrator, can legally withhold the registration.
by fawndallas on 27 September 2012 - 15:09
This does leave me a question.... How long should a breeder keep copies of sales contracts? This is for my own benefit, for Rose's litter.
by malndobe on 27 September 2012 - 15:09
IMO wether she bred the female or not doesn't come into play. It's about what was promised 4 years ago, and wether that promise was delivered on or not. Not how someone not involved in the original transaction feels about it. Since you took over your sister's responsibilities (sorry about her death) you are the right person for this woman to be contacting. And then it comes down to:
Did she really buy the dog from your sister? DNA could prove this if there are any questions.
If she did, then she should have gotten papers, and if she didn't, that needs to be made right, which is now your responsibility.
Then the question is, should she have gotten full registration or limited? Some breeders use limited more than others, without any sort of contract or emails to see what your sister promised, I would look at the other dogs in the litter and see how they were sold. AKC might be willing to give you this info if it's not something that can be viewed on their website. If the rest of the litter was sold on limited, then it's reasonably safe to say this female was also. If they were sold on full, then it's a good bet she was also. If it's a 50/50 split, and there is no documentation (contact, emails, etc) then you just have to go with best guess.
As an aside, the female in question is 4 years old and just now being bred, so I doubt this is a "let's pump out the puppies" situation or she'd have had 3 or 4 litters already.
Did she really buy the dog from your sister? DNA could prove this if there are any questions.
If she did, then she should have gotten papers, and if she didn't, that needs to be made right, which is now your responsibility.
Then the question is, should she have gotten full registration or limited? Some breeders use limited more than others, without any sort of contract or emails to see what your sister promised, I would look at the other dogs in the litter and see how they were sold. AKC might be willing to give you this info if it's not something that can be viewed on their website. If the rest of the litter was sold on limited, then it's reasonably safe to say this female was also. If they were sold on full, then it's a good bet she was also. If it's a 50/50 split, and there is no documentation (contact, emails, etc) then you just have to go with best guess.
As an aside, the female in question is 4 years old and just now being bred, so I doubt this is a "let's pump out the puppies" situation or she'd have had 3 or 4 litters already.
by kitkat3478 on 07 October 2012 - 07:10
Well, I went and checked the pups out, a couple of pandas in the mix, or beagle or some other Heinz 57 in there. Then this woman gonna tell me my sister was "on board"for this mating, and wanted a pup to keep for her program. HELLO! I might have been born at night, but certainly not LAST NIGHT. No,this woman will get no papers. Both my sister and myself both held back papers. If you are buying a pet, at a pet price, that is what you get. I take a great deal of pride in my dogs, I don't want someone breeding "willy nilly" and putting my dogs name of a crap litter. I also have respect for those before me whose dogs I have to not let them add crap to their name either. If you give limited, they go CKC or some other half ass registry and register the litter anyway. I think those people, as well as the registry are going around the breeders wishes. I certainly don't want to be responsible for, panda colored,hock walking HD dogs claiming, Rikkor V BadBoll, Kevin V Murrtal grandpups. Both myself and my sister are not against giving the AKC papers out to someone that wants to breed, just do it right.
by laura271 on 07 October 2012 - 13:10
How is the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC) any more half-assed than the AKC?
by melba on 07 October 2012 - 14:10
Laura, I believe kitkat was referring to the Continental Kennel Club, which registers anything with a tail and heartbeat. Heartbeat is
probably optional.
Melissa
probably optional.
Melissa
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