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by dogladyj on 12 March 2011 - 06:03
GSD's are NOT a large breed. why would you feed them a large breed diet?
just wondering.
john
just wondering.
john
by HighDesertGSD on 14 March 2011 - 20:03
Well, the definition on a LBP is one that will get bigger than 50 lbs, as least a couple of manufacturers say.
The GSD is rather large.
The GSD is rather large.
by steve1 on 15 March 2011 - 14:03
The German Shepherd is classed as a large breed dog and it is not high protein which causes problems with a growing pups joints, The biggest problem lies in the one feeding and handling the Pups, most people OVER FEED no question about that bit and that is fatal.
It is the Calcium in a Pups feed which will cause more problems, i dislike a high Calcuim content in food, having reared 4 pups from 8 -9 weeks old on Orijen large breed until they were about 7 to 8 months old without problems at all before taking them off the Puppy food and everyone got a nornal Joints when tested, Hips and Elbows. My latest Pup has been reared mostly on Acana she is due to be joint tested in two weeks time Why was she reared on Acana same firm as Orijen because the availablity of Orijen dried up early on when she was 12 weeks old so i went for the next best, Plus it is a little cheaper
Steve1
It is the Calcium in a Pups feed which will cause more problems, i dislike a high Calcuim content in food, having reared 4 pups from 8 -9 weeks old on Orijen large breed until they were about 7 to 8 months old without problems at all before taking them off the Puppy food and everyone got a nornal Joints when tested, Hips and Elbows. My latest Pup has been reared mostly on Acana she is due to be joint tested in two weeks time Why was she reared on Acana same firm as Orijen because the availablity of Orijen dried up early on when she was 12 weeks old so i went for the next best, Plus it is a little cheaper
Steve1
by HighDesertGSD on 15 March 2011 - 17:03
Yes, I read that the detriment comes from high food intake and excessive calcium, not excessive protein.
A LBP cannot be fed free choice.
Most owners want to see a plump pup, this is the problem.
Pups in the wild are always hunger; this is their normal state in childhood. Being satiated is the abnormal state.
This is a lot like the early pregnancy in a bitch. Being satiated at this stage is also abnormal. If you feed a hunger bitch always to the point of satiation, her may well become obese.
This is nature I believe.
Also, the modern method of making dog food tends to include too much calcium, not too little. Powerful grinders will grind up bones that in the wild may be only partially digested, I believe Too much labor will be used to remove ideal amount of bones.
A LBP cannot be fed free choice.
Most owners want to see a plump pup, this is the problem.
Pups in the wild are always hunger; this is their normal state in childhood. Being satiated is the abnormal state.
This is a lot like the early pregnancy in a bitch. Being satiated at this stage is also abnormal. If you feed a hunger bitch always to the point of satiation, her may well become obese.
This is nature I believe.
Also, the modern method of making dog food tends to include too much calcium, not too little. Powerful grinders will grind up bones that in the wild may be only partially digested, I believe Too much labor will be used to remove ideal amount of bones.
by nanu on 15 March 2011 - 17:03
wow,
Find the nearest Animal Nutritionist in your area and have a good talk. BTW, I am one.
Optimum nutrition for bone growth is related to a number of minerals to include the ratio of Calcium to Phosphorus and this is critical for the growing animal. Adult dog foods generally have too much Calcium. Much "raw" foods also do not have proper Ca/Phosporus balances, let alone other trace and macro minerals.
Protein is not necessarily the culprit you are looking at in keeping the Large Breed dog in optimum growth but the overall Energy consumed daily.
Research also documents the overfed growing puppy is at high risk for HD. Underfeeding can also hurt. Dogs also require quality protein.
Cheers!
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
Find the nearest Animal Nutritionist in your area and have a good talk. BTW, I am one.
Optimum nutrition for bone growth is related to a number of minerals to include the ratio of Calcium to Phosphorus and this is critical for the growing animal. Adult dog foods generally have too much Calcium. Much "raw" foods also do not have proper Ca/Phosporus balances, let alone other trace and macro minerals.
Protein is not necessarily the culprit you are looking at in keeping the Large Breed dog in optimum growth but the overall Energy consumed daily.
Research also documents the overfed growing puppy is at high risk for HD. Underfeeding can also hurt. Dogs also require quality protein.
Cheers!
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
by HighDesertGSD on 15 March 2011 - 19:03
Personally, I find it hard to believe the Ca/P ratio has to be rather precise.
If a wild dog eats only small animals whole, the Ca/P ratio can be rather constant.
But if it eats parts of a large animal, then the Ca/P ratio will depend on what parts of it it eats.
An alpha wolf that eats more intestines and other internal organs will have lower Ca/P ratio, than a beta animal that eats more bones.
The acceptable range of Ca/P should be rather wide it the wild.
If a wild dog eats only small animals whole, the Ca/P ratio can be rather constant.
But if it eats parts of a large animal, then the Ca/P ratio will depend on what parts of it it eats.
An alpha wolf that eats more intestines and other internal organs will have lower Ca/P ratio, than a beta animal that eats more bones.
The acceptable range of Ca/P should be rather wide it the wild.
by tenmon on 15 March 2011 - 22:03
I feed TOW bison formula and my puppy of 13weeks loves it. Growing like a weed. I'm at work now but am concern about cal/phos ratio since it appears all the above knowledgable individuals are high on this item. I'll definitely look at this when I get home tonight. I myself has been curious about feeding this to my GSD puppy. Any comments? Should I switch? The puppy is about 30lb since I last check a week or so ago and get 2 cups morning and evening each feeding.
My GSD puppy is from a big litter. As of last Sunday each owner of my puppy's littermates are doing well. However, checking with them on their feeding practices have ranged from purina puppy chow to table scraps and all have their weight in check (according to their vets) and their ears are all standing straight up! Mine isn't and am wondering if I should be supplementing him with something or is it the food i'm feeding. Any suggestions?
My GSD puppy is from a big litter. As of last Sunday each owner of my puppy's littermates are doing well. However, checking with them on their feeding practices have ranged from purina puppy chow to table scraps and all have their weight in check (according to their vets) and their ears are all standing straight up! Mine isn't and am wondering if I should be supplementing him with something or is it the food i'm feeding. Any suggestions?
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