Effects of Carbohydrates In Dogs - Page 2

OGBS, I had to re-read your post. GREAT POST.

@zIEGEN, Which commercial food is 80% potatoes? Or was that an extreme exaggeration

okay......take a look at this one then:
www.dogfooddirect.com/category_WSRD_Wellness-Simple-Solutions-Rice-&-Duck-Dog-Food.html

if only 21% protein, how much does the "supplements" account for?  so the bulk of that bag is rice.  not so much of an exaggeration.

pjp

pjp, that's one product. from one brand of foods. I guess if you include all the Walmart brands or walmart quality of foods than the majority of the kibble on the market is made out of mostly grains. But their are 100's of products on the market with their main ingrediants being meat products. Wellness offers some pretty good products under the Wellness Core label.

www.wellnesspetfood.com/product-details.aspx

Also the below website offers some pretty good reviews on different dog foods
www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/

i don't know if you just want to argue or what, but any product that only has 21 or 22% protein is mostly filler.  grain, pulp, potato......whatever.  read my o.p.  that is exactly the point i was tryting to make.  i'm not sure what point you are trying to make.  all i know is that the whole bag has to add up to 100%.  if only 21 % of it is protein, the rest of it is fluff!
pjp

OT a little. I lost my best friend (ACD) to the Melomine poisuning in Dog Food. I won't go into what brand...but his kidneys were shot. I went to the Vet and I was told he had very little time to live and they had me doing SubQ fluids and feeding him egg whites. NO Complex PROTIEN. Because his kidneys were shot and protien is hard to break down. This is what I found. Had I kept him on the egg whites and subQ fluids he would have died for sure...within weeks, maybe days. He was breaking down fast. Since dogs need protien, I felt that he needed protien support...not the removal of it from his diet. When I told my Vet I was going to increase his protien intake and back off of some of the fluid he was not absorbing....I was told I'd kill him doing that. I did it any way, as I believe his system needed protien support...not the removal of it. I put him on raw meat, yogart with live culture's,Goats milk, cottage cheese and rice. Mix and match as needed. I used Renelix for his kidneys, fed omega-3 oil and sub Q fluids as needed. The reversal was astonishing. He went from a almost dead and dying dog...to living another year and a half. I even cut down the amount of fluids I had to give him...as he could take in enough on his own. Eventually the Melomine damage caught up with him and he died at the age of 7. It nearly killed me. BUT MY POINT WAS.....TAKING AWAY THE PROTIEN WAS FOR SURE KILLING HIM....So you have to ask yourself in Protien challenged dogs kidneys...do they need support in eating it (yes IMO) or do you take it away. I chose to bump up his complex protiens and gave my dog another year of life. The Vet was surprised. As for the ringer after ringer of fluids that I put under his skin....with in two and a half months...I was able to stop that as well. Feeding dogs can be challenging. But I know I did the right thing.

Oh and I used Forti Flora as needed also.

demeras,  first of all i am very sorry about your dog.  thank you for sharing your story.
if we turn the calendar back a few years, we will remember that the whole melamine thing was an effort to make it look like the protein content was higher than it actually was.  unfortunately, a perfect case in point about the effects of lower quality proteins on the kidneys. on the flipside, quality proteins allowed the dog to live another year.  we just need to remember that the issue is not about protein in general, but the quality of the the protein specifically.  meat is always preferable to meal.
thanks again, demeras.  i never heard of a dog living that long after melamine poisoning......so you certainly must have done the right thing. 
pjp

Thank you zieqenfarm for commenting on this subject.  The loss of Jelly still hurts.  I loved that dog so very much.  Soulmate.  We were so close...I was so lost without him.  Meat is a great thing to feed dogs...real meat...good proteins.  He was so sick in the beginning...when he returned to his almost normal self....I knew I was on to something.  I do a lot of research on dogs and their illness's...and what foods might help.  Jelly was one of those dogs you only get once in your lifetime.  I was so blessed to have him for 7 years.  I will never be over loosisng him the way I did..... but it made me do a lot of research and made me put a lot more thought and care into what I feed my dogs.  The same as I would my child.  Again thanks for you input.  He was special beyond words.

" however not all starches breakdown into the same sugar forms."

I believe all starches breakdown into glucose although not all carbohyrate breakdown to all glucose

Human beings can also produce carbohydrate from fats. But many or most of us just do not feel content without a form of carbohydrate. Dogs may feel the same.

"The dog's metabolism is very proficient at hydrolizing glycogen (glycogen is "stored energy" in the body) from protein sources,"

I don't know if I agree.

Glycogen is basically a polymer of glucose in animal form. We all have it particularly in the liver.

Glycogen is not directly from protein, except in excessive amino acid converted to energy with the amine group excreted.