working line German Shepherd OR Belgian Malinois - Page 2

"A true High Drive Working dog as envisaged by breed originators is not supposed to sit idle unless he /she is kenneled or crated."

How can you say that? Do you really think that makes any sense at all? What an ignorant statement!

A Mali is more instinctive IMO and primal. They react faster. IME

  

Vikram, I disagree. I never liked the GSD until I watched one many years ago. He was a fired Area guard dog. Fired because he did too much damage to the cars he was supposed to protect when people would break in and get on top of them to get away. He was like Dr Jeckle and mr hyde. I have had many GSDs and have only had one that had that off switch. You could go out and throw the ball for hours and work him another 4, but if you come home from work tired, he doesn't bother you. To me it's rare, but they are out there. The pup I have now is pestering the hell out of me because I've been gone all day.

I want to ask two questions over here... 1) Is malinois as loyal as german shepherd ?? You cant describe german shepherd without loyality. It is said that they are one of most loyal dogs on the planet.. But whats about the Malinois ? 2) Is Malinois not as strong as German shepherd ? ? Everybody knows that gsd is bigger in size and more in mass than Malinois.. Has it got something to do with the power and strength ? Pls guys answer this and help me and lots of people who want to know the facts.

I thinks this is a good statement about the Malinois, and how they think and act

A Mali is more instinctive IMO and primal. They react faster.

As far as size goes, the height standard is the same for both the Malinois and the GSD.  The GSD tends to be a heavier dog though because they have a longer body and are supposed to have more bone.  This can result in more power, sometimes.  But the lighter build of the Malinois can result in more speed, meaning harder impacts.   But it also really depends on what you are comparing.  Are you comparing the bite pressure of a 70 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD?  Or are you comparing the bite pressure of a 70 lb Malinois to a 70 lb GSD and a 90 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD?  And yes, there are 90 lb Malinois out there.  They are over standard, but for people that want that size they do exist.

In terms of loyalty I haven't owned a GSD so I can't compare, but I find my Malinois to be very loyal.  Very into me, aware of where I am and what I'm doing, etc.  Also very intelligent and easy to train.  To easy at times, they learn the bad just as fast as the good.

As far as an off switch goes, I have to disagree that having an off switch means lacking in drive.   My dog Mac has tons of drive, enough that he also can be unclear at times.  But at home, he's a lump.  He's ready to rock and roll at a moments notice, but when we are all just hanging out he'll plop down on a dog bed or the couch and lay there literally for hours.   These are some videos of him working

http://www.dantero.com/videos.php?did=125

His daughter Nexxus is the same way, tons of drive, but around the house a very calm and laid back dog.  Ready to go at a moments notice, but still pretty kicked back. 

In this picture is 
(left)  Nexxus du Dantero - HTDIIs, HSAs, HRDIs, RLFI, PT, HCT-s, TF-III, FDX, CGC, CSAU(Exc), HSBs (1st leg), HRDIIs (1st leg), RLFII (1st leg)
(middle back) Calice du Dantero - FRII (competed in FRIII), PSA1, SchH BH, CD, HCTs, HIAs, HTDIs, HRDIs, TFE-I,
FDCh-G, CGC, Major pointed (BOB), HSAc (1st leg), JHDs (1st leg), 2003 NARA FRI Vice Champion, multiple Herding HIT/RHIT
(right) Mac du CdH - FRIII, RATP (K9)
(front) Zara vd Berlex-Hoeve


I've got lots of photos and videos of different dogs on my website, but Cali - FRII, PSA1, Mac - FRIII, Chaos - FRIII, Enzo - FRIII, Raptor - FRIII all house dogs, all have an "off switch".  Now Lory - FRIII did not have an off switch.  He was also a very high drive dog, but I think the lack of off switch was more about nerve structure than drive levels.  Kita - FRI will relax eventually, but her off switch is more of a "dimmer switch" LOL  I think if we didn't have cats she'd be much better, but the cats keep her in a constant state of drive and she has a hard time relaxing if she knows they are around.  If I put them in a bedroom where she can't get to them, she'll hunt for them for a bit, then flop down somewhere and relax.

I don't recommend working Malinois for the average pet home, but the right working line Malinois can be quite happy living in the house with a dog savy owner.

I love this quote to describe the malinois...


"Yea Malis are fast, and sure they look good on a suit, but throw that toy off a cliff" 



When I look for my next pup I am not going to search based on breed. I am going after specific qualities I want in my next dog. Whether its a GSD, Mali, Dutchie, or a mix. I just want a great working dog. All 3 breeds are quite capable of that! Just depends on the dog...

@Malndobe - I am comparing in all the 3 cases.. a)the bite pressure of a 70 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD b) 70 lb Malinois to a 70 lb GSD and c) 90 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD Pls let us know what would be the result in all the 3 cases ??

When I was in Iraq in 2009 the base k9 unit was half mals and half GSD

I spoke with one small county police chief who was looking at purchasing dogs for their new k9 unit and they chose mals strictly based off price. But I saw i national Geographic that NYPD uses only GSD.

MALS dominate the ring sports by far. They have taller and steeper A frames and higher jumps in many of the ring sports allowing a higher success with the mals

Mals dominate the KNPV

I read an article a while back that compared all breed schutzhund trials on the world level. It stated that Mals were exponentially more successful then GSD's. (could not find the article, but if anybody knows a link showing the results please share)

From my little experience there seems to be a lot less distinction between working lines versus show lines when it comes to mals compared to GSD's.

It seems that the GSD world is more breed passionate or breed bias. i am a GSD owner but i love all working breeds

a)the bite pressure of a 70 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD

In general I would expect the larger dog to bite harder than the smaller dog, regardless of the breed. 

b) 70 lb Malinois to a 70 lb GSD
c) 90 lb Malinois to a 90 lb GSD

Depends on the individual dogs being tested.  I think 70 lbs vs 70 lbs the Malinois would tend to win, in part because you would probably be comparing a male Malinois to a female GSD.  And males, of any breed, tend to be a thicker, more muscular build, then a female.   In the 90 vs 90, it would totally depend on the individual dog.  I could argue it either way, if you said the GSD bites harder, I could show you a Malinois who did.  But if you said the Malinois bit harder, I could show you a GSD that did.

My point was that when people compare the two breeds and say the GSD bites harder, they are usually comparing a dog around 90 lbs to a dog around 70.  I would sure hope a GSD that had 20 lbs on the Malinois it was being compared to would bite harder. 

 Manjeet,

as someone wisely said  "there are only two breeds of dogs  one a German Shepherd and the other who want to be a German Shepherd" So you can have an endless discussion but remember if you truly know the GSD you cannot stand another dog breed. And then there are German Shepherds and there are more....

cheers

@vikram - well said. But i have also heard or read somewhere that there is Belgian Malinois and then there are dogs. But yeah.. I like the look of german shepherd more. I think, Belgian Malinois is more hardy or healthier breed than german shepherd.